Politics Psychedelic mushroom legalization effort in Oregon gets ballot language approval

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  1. donkiez

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    I dont recommend the use of any drug, but I feel as a nation and a society we benefit from an honest realistic discussion on the subject. Drug use in itself should not be illegal, behavior to maintain a habit should though. Our country's drug policy incarcerates millions, has created a unhealthy environment for anyone who uses, and fuels our immigrant and gang issues as well as our police state. Realistically there is a medical use for almost every drug, there are people who will abuse every drug, and people who will responsibly use every drug. The war on drugs is a massive failure, drugs won.
     
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    So cocaine and heroin should be legal?
     
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    I'm not sure on this issue...decriminalized is probably the answer..works in Holland and addicts don't live with the desperation because they have access. I'm sort of leaning towards the opinion that anything that adds or could add to the mental illness problems we're facing today or the health care burden should be kept in check.
     
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    Within reason yes, at the very least decriminalized. Doing cocaine or heroine only harms the user and should not require punishment. The illegal activities required to maintain a habit are the real social problem. By decriminalizing these drugs, addict related crimes would drop dramatically, funding for gang/cartels would be undercut and the money we spend incarcerating our population and funding the DEA could go to education and rehabilitation. Drug use would also become much safer, one of the biggest problems with drug use is that its dangerous taking drugs that have no dosage controls and are full of impurities or other things like stronger drugs such as fentanyl, not to mention increase communicable diseases like hepatitis and HIV.

    Drugs are a fact of society and will not go away. Its about mitigating the damage and helping people who need it. Other drugs like mushrooms, LSD and MDMA are not big issues either, with virtually no long term affects to a casual careful user.

    Look at what Portugal is doing.

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...licy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it
     
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    I really want to try shrooms
     
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    What's the difference between decriminalized and legal?
     
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    I would assume you may be the hippie ring leader. hahaha
     
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    I think Authorities still have the means to fuck you up if you act in a non conforming manner.
     
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    I'd vote for decriminalization of EVERY single drug.

    When has prohibition EVER worked. It NEVER has.
     
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    Decriminalized means you lessen or remove penalties for use or possession. Usually making it a misdemeanor offense if anything. No more felony possession charges.

    Legalized if a full legitimate market opening up, taxed and regulated.

    Medical marijuana was decriminalized. Recreational is legalized.
     
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    Might as well be.

    All drugs, meth included, should be decriminalized.

    Look at what Portugal did in 2002.

    Drug usage went down across the board when they decriminalized.
     
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    I don't trust humanity in the current climate here as much as the Portuguese probably trust the population there.
     
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    Human nature is as such:

    People always want to have sex and leave reality. It shouldn't be s crime to harm your own body.

    The crimes drug addicts do already have laws against them on the books.

    You're saying this like prohibition works.
     
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    Is it not ironic that suicide is a crime?
     
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    I've never said it's a crime to harm your body....tobacco is out there..lots of substances to abuse. In the right climate or even the right region I agree with the Dutch or Portuguese attitudes...I have concerns here that are mostly about how it affects mental illness in society...laws are often strange...oral sex was illegal..not sure if that was ever amended. We have a country filled with weapons and PTSD vets, cops, crazy fuckers...etc. If any of them hurt themselves..no problem, if they hurt others..big fuckin' problem. Mushrooms have a history of being an enabler for some cases of mental illness. Drunk drivers too often don't just hurt themselves either.
     
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    Rat poison is the same thing as Warfarin, a blood thinner. It is made from a plant mold such as is found in clover.
    Interestingly, the sweet smell of freshly cut grass comes from coumarin which is used to make warfarin (aka coumadin). I'm not sure but I beelieve the coumarin used to make warfarin comes from moldy clover.
     
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    How else can police intervene in a suicide attempt?
     
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    Yet alcohol is legal and we have laws on the books punishing crimes like DUII.

    Possession of a controlled substance should not be a crime.
     
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    Ask Lukas Glenn's family if they would change the fact that they called the police to intervene.

    They shot a high school kid for threatening himself with a knife....
     
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    Yes but possessing a substance the government says will harm you is a crime.
     

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