Some people dont seem to get that America is running out of money. The private sector has been feeling it for awhile, my health care costs have gone up considerably this year, my retirment profit share was cut in half, and other financial benifits I recieve have been reduced. There is no reason why government jobs should not feel the same pain. That being said government spending, that does not include workers compensation, should also be cut. Anybody who thinks different does not undertand the issues facing our country and the world right now.
None of this money is being returned to the taxpayers. The 7% will go to help balance the WI budget. They owe $56 million to Minnesota, for example, on a interest-bearing loan that needs to be paid. As a philosophical aside: Can a public worker really ever be "taxed", other than by their union?
Yes, they're effectively taking away salary. I know they aren't saying you no longer get "X" benefit, but if you now have to pay for "X" then they effectively are.
Right. So we agree. I think we were both a bit confused on each other's message, but I still don't see how a benefit is being taken away.
So you would agree that people should be expected to settle for a little less when times are tough? Does that include the wealthy settling for a little less due to tax cuts? :trollface:
This has nothing to do with the weathy. That is soooo 2008. Plus, those are federal tax cuts, and this is a state issue. "Tax cuts for the rich" have literally nothing to do with this state worker bill. This is about private sector versus public sector. Get used to it at a state-level, because the private sector - rich, medium, and poor - have had enough of the freeloaders.
Has anyone else on this board had to take a pay cut to keep their job or to not have downsizing in their firm?
Being confronted with facts can be difficult, unless one is willing to admit their own ignorance. If the latter occurs, this confrontation is a reward.
Totally willing to admit my own ignorance on this issue. I just wish someone would scare you away again so I don't have to read the kind of bullshit you were spouting at Sug. Have a little respect.
It cracks me up that people think there's a big difference between public sector and private sector workers. Like many people I've worked in both sectors, often simultaneously, and I'm the same guy giving the same effort with the same personal code guiding my actions no matter who I work for. People are people. 2 personal observations leap out at me. 1. I usually had far better pay and bennies in my private sector positions than in my government positions. 2. Employee-wise, at least 1/3 of the private sector is stealing from their employer. Conservative estimate.
Self employed, and on an upswing the last 15 months or so, but I'd never take a pay cut when working for someone else. Why would I? Unless the company was struggling due to my incompetence or poor performance, it's not my hit to take. It's the owner's place to absorb 100% of that. He's the one who profits when it's good. He's the one whose earnings may double, may quadruple, may multiply by 1000 when the economy booms again. The employees will reap no great reward. They'll be lucky to keep up with inflation, never mind ever becoming rich. That governor is a prime example. When you add his salary to the fact that just about every expense he has while governor is paid by the taxpayer, his food, his travel, his wardobe, his healthcare which eclipses anything they'll ever have, his bodyguards, his aides to tell him how to do his job...he makes far more than any of those people. He probably wastes more tax $ just on office furniture, world travel and entertainment than any of them make in a lifetime. He is paid by the same taxpayers. But he doesn't even make the politically correct gesture of taking a pay cut himself. He can certainly afford it. He'd get great press. It would further enhance his career prospects. People would admire him for it. But he just can't bring himself to do it. The greed is too strong.
so, you're saying if the governor agrees to give back 7% of his pay (.07*144k=~10k) then you're ok with the union giving up 7% of their employees' pay to pay for their benefits? I would bet he does that in a heartbeat. The union has shown they would rather fire 1500 people instead. Go Unions!
I fix cars of course, whenever my boss has a car that is a friend of his or of the company he gives them to me. He always tells me to make sure and do a good job on them, I suspect that is just human nature. Last time when he gave me one of his preferred jobs and told me that I asked him why he always gives me those jobs. He said it was because I do the best work in the shop. I told him that I never did anything different to his friend's cars because I treat them all like my own car. EVEN THOSE FILTHY PRICKS WHO SEEM TO LIVE OUT OF THEIR FILTHY STINKY CARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I don't think working for the government would change my work ethic, but it seems like plenty of people work that way. As for stealing, I have only stolen something out of someone's car ONCE and I still regret it. Please read the story before judging me though. Years ago when I was a teenager I worked on someone's car during the summer and the lady had an open bag of MINI Abba Zabba candy bars in the back. If you know those treats you might now that they are often as hard as a rock, well these things were soft and squishy and I just couldn't resist taking one. I know that she probably wouldn't have cared but I literally can't say that I have never stolen something out of a person's car. I wish I could go back in time and wait for her to pick up her car so I could ASK her if I could have one. That soft Abba Zabba was damn good though.
Why should I respect a freeloader who has zero respect for me and the rest of the private sector? Sug seems to be everything that is wrong with a public union worker, IMO. I don't respect that at all, so I won't give him any respect.
Well, it's a projected $3.6 billion deficit in reality, but photoshop is fun, so I guess I'll believe you shiny picture. Also, since the "corporate interests" pay for the public unions, the union doesn't really have much leverage.
repped for making a difference. Consider the source(s). From their posts one thing is clear. Whether their teachers' faults or their own laziness, they didn't larn much in skool.
