Public Employees Protesting WI Governor

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  1. MARIS61

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    Government employees are but an extension of government expense, not the other way around.

    The current number and quality of government employees at any given time is simply what is required to fulfill the many programs and services government provides at your request through your elected representatives. You, the taxpayer and voter, are the only one who is to blame.

    You voted them in and you voted for the programs and services. If you don't like how Democracy works move to China or North Korea.
     
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    Is someone in Blackwater serving our country?
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    It's not lying if you believe it at the time you made the promise. For example, I had several friends of mine agree to positions with Arthur Andersen after their summer associate program. They went back to school with the knowledge that a position would be waiting for them. During that school year, AA went tits up. It happens. Nothing is certain; we shouldn't pretend it is.
     
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    It doesn't really say why except that Governor Walker is part of the problem, not the solution:

    Wisconsin, where Gov. Scott Walker (R) has rocked the legislature with proposed limits on state employee unions, is one of those, Zeitz said. The state is on a two-year budget cycle. This year the governor has talked of a $137 million shortfall, though Zeitz said it was largely of Walker's own making through tax cuts and spending initiatives. In any case, that amount would equal 1 percent of the state budget. "A 1 percent shortfall does not constitute a crisis," Zeitz said.

    Walker said the state faces a more than $3 billion deficit next year, but Zeitz said that includes assumptions about program growth and revenue.
     
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    How do you propose Wisconsin close its $3.6B budget gap? It may want those services, but it can't afford them. It's not personal; it's just reality.

    Have you ever dealt with a buyer where they signed a contract to purchase a home but couldn't close the deal? Perhaps they couldn't get the financing they thought they could, perhaps they lost their job. The point is that circumstances change.
     
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    maxiep RIP Dr. Jack

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    Wisconsin is Archduke Ferdinand and Gavrilo Princip in Sarajevo. It's the first domino.
     
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    Keep telling yourself that.

    Lying is lying and deliberately reneging on a promise is lying, it's cheating, it's blatant fraud. This is nothing but political diversion and scapegoating and even if successful will not make a single positive baby step toward solving the debt problem in Wisconsin.

    As you would know if you read the article you linked.
     
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    Holy fuck, are you serious? Is your position really that if you don't have a government job, you're not serving? I think people that work for charities, non-profits and religious organizations will be interested to know they're selfish bastards.
     
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    Why does President Obama care about what amounts to a state budget issue in Wisconsin? Of all of the stupid deflections I've seen, this one may be the dumbest. No surprise, though, considering the source of it.
     
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    So, if you promise your wife you'll take her on a trip next year and you die this summer, you die a liar? I'm serious.
     
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    You do realize what "collective bargaining" means, right? It doesn't mean the status quo forever, for one...
     
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    An interesting position. You are now on record as stating that any elected official quoting numbers is now not to be believed. Got it.
     
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    I think that taxpayers who pay for social services are "serving" more toward that greater good than mooching teachers like Sug, who seemingly are only in it for themselves.

    The ride is over, freeloaders.
     
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    Well, they aren't in our country. I do think that someone working in a private school is serving, though, and they don't have taxpayer funded pensions. What makes you better than them Sug? Also, are you equating teaching to fighting a war? If you're the typical teacher, I do worry about the future of our children.

    Since I'm helping pay your salary, Sug, why don't you invite into your class so I can observe what kind of "service" you are providing to society?
     
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    This really isn't going where you wanted.

    I did have a home I listed and the buyer was fired 3 days before closing. He thought he'd just not tell anyone, even his wife, but the lender of course checked on closing day and cancelled the sale.

    And they paid a penalty for not fulfilling their promise to buy (lost their earnest money). And they didn't get to buy the house, and now live in a run down rental.

    They didn't get to take back what they had promised (their earnest money). They just had to live a sparser lifestyle.

    Employed teachers should not suffer because some taxpayers are struggling. It is the taxpayers who must trim their personal budgets so they can pay the additional taxes required to fulfill the promises they made through their elected reps.
     
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    Religious organizations, by their very definition, do not serve their country.
     
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    Nobody died.

    The elected governor mismanaged the state and blew wads of money rewarding the uber-wealthy with massive tax cuts and exhorbitant spending bills.

    Now he's saying "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
     
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    Tell that to the church-funded missions who feed homeless people every day.

    I'm not religious at all, either. Also, how does a state union worker serve their "country"?
     
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    Just a total miss, in so many ways.
     

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