yo, i be new here so wassup... In my opinion, T-mac is the better player compared to Pierce, but he falls short of kobe's level. T-mac is more athletic, longer, his shot is more consistant, and he's a more willing passer... He was able to avg. 30+ pts a game last year and still shoot over 45% from the field. He is probably the most potent offensive player in the league. His falls short to Pierce in that he hasn't developed the "killer instinct" at the end of games as pierce has done. Nonetheless, Pierce shoots too many threes, is very inconsistent and scores Both players are only marginally good defenders, and that is what puts kobe over these guys. (also his clucth shooting)
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">yo, i be new here so wassup... In my opinion, T-mac is the better player compared to Pierce, but he falls short of kobe's level. T-mac is more athletic, longer, his shot is more consistant, and he's a more willing passer... He was able to avg. 30+ pts a game last year and still shoot over 45% from the field. He is probably the most potent offensive player in the league. His falls short to Pierce in that he hasn't developed the "killer instinct" at the end of games as pierce has done. Nonetheless, Pierce shoots too many threes, is very inconsistent and scores Both players are only marginally good defenders, and that is what puts kobe over these guys. (also his clucth shooting)</div> I agree with everything you said except for one part -- YOUR WRONG!!! Tracy took the 4th most threes in the nba 448 paul took the 10th most 391.. Tracy settles way too much for the outside shot.. exactly what he did in the playoffs, and thats why the magic lost again!!!
Arite, my bad, you're right about the three pt stats Nonetheless I would rather have T-mac over Pierce. Good heads up about the stats tho, grizzoistight.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting grizzoistight:</div><div class="quote_post">Vintage i think king james prob thought Pryzbilla had played that game.. By the way its good to see Sam Smith is comin up with crazy trade ideas.. like Tyson Chandler and Jalen Rose for kobe.. Has he ever gotten one right??</div> How is pierce a lock to get the scoring title? I think without that other option as Walker, he will be doubled and sometimes triple teamed. This causing his scoring to go down, or at least his shooting percentage. He will get more shots than last year now with Walker gone.
Tmac's defense will improve this year, while pierce's offense will improve this year. Tmac hasnt' developed the killer instinct yet, but when he does then the magic will win many games and definetely advance past the 1st round. The league better watch out when tmac gets the killer instinct, which will hopefully happen this year.
killer instinct isn't something u learn....It's something u just have. Bird had it, Magic had it, Jordan had it... guys who are still in the league now like reggie miller, van exel, kobe have it. Its something they've demonstrated year in and year out. T-mac is a great player, no doubt, but he wasn't blessed with that quality. He might improve his passing, his shooting, etc... but when the game is on the line, it's becomes more than just the tangible skills.
btw, i also think the magic will pass the first round this year, but that has less to do with T-macs improvement, and more with the improvement of the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">killer instinct isn't something u learn....It's something u just have. Bird had it, Magic had it, Jordan had it... guys who are still in the league now like reggie miller, van exel, kobe have it. Its something they've demonstrated year in and year out. T-mac is a great player, no doubt, but he wasn't blessed with that quality. He might improve his passing, his shooting, etc... but when the game is on the line, it's becomes more than just the tangible skills.</div> I agree with that statement. The will to win and the killer instinct that comes with it is something that Tracy just doesnt have at the moment. He sure is one heck of a player, however he just isnt at the same level as Kobe when it comes to heart and that passion to win. Tmac's only major fault is that he doesnt have that killer instinct that the greats have. Sure he can score but can he do it in the clutch of a game where he is double teamed and the defense knows he is getting the ball? That remains to be seen. So far in his career he has not shown me the killer instinct. That is why I have a few players rated higher than him. I think it is a bit premature to be talking about the scoring title this far in advance. Pierce definetly has the ability to win it as does Shaq, Duncan, AI, McGrady, Dirk and just about every other star in the league. I am going to wait till I see how each team runs their offense this year and how the defenses of the other teams react to that.
I may be new here, but I know when Im looking at a slanted viewpoint. After reading a few posts on here, I must say that King James is on point for the most part, so if u plan on refuting him, u better have your ish together. Giriz, u don't......PP is good, will probably be an all time great, but he isn't Mcgrady,kobe,AI or AI. PP is a great shooter and scorer, defensively he gives it up to all of the above. Um, as far as the killer instinct thing goes, I've seen Mcgrady win a few games at the end(yeah, they were regular season). To say a man who averages 32 a game has no passion is idiotic, to say a man that avg 32 a game has no killer instinct is moronic.... So if he had passion, he'd average,what 40 a night?? I would say that with the talent surrounding Mcgrady, without his 32 in da bank, they never even would be in a close game....Let's be for real the man with the ultimate killer instinct didn't win till they got a real coach, and didn't win the title till they got a great one. Same coach coaches Kobe now. And Jordan was the #1 guy on his team. This is like the Emmitt Smith/Barry Sanders thing all over again. Both were great, but the one with the truly amazing talent had nothing on his team. Once again, why is it assumed PP will score so much this year, he is a big game player, yes, but if he had this 'killer instinct' we love to annoint out, then why come Boston got hammered by NJ?? Same reason ORL got beat by DET, like buddy from the beers commercials says "Leon can't do it by himself!" Pierce is great, but he is now the only thing defenses have to gun for, his scoring will go up, but not to 30-33 a night. Mcgrady does it by himself, tha bs boxscore you use as evidence only proves your ineptitude. U said what kind of scorers did the bucks have, Darwin Ham? If Im not mistaken, Cassell,G.Rob, Ray Allen all have put 20 per up before, and T Thomas aint no slouch either. Name one player on the magic as good as that teams 4th scoring option?? You can't. I've seen Mcgrady snatch Kobe jumpers in midair, like this was NBA Street on Playstation. Kobe, in his own punk way even said it..."He's just so long" Sorry, you cant attribute that to just his long arms and legs. In terms of raw talent, he's the best. His game is fastly catching up to that talent. Paul Pierce, we'll give him the killer instinct title right now.The Kobe killer instinct thing is bs. It's much easier to slash to the basket when 3 of the other four guys are good shooters who will knock down 3 with just an inch of space (in the past it was Fisher, Shaw, Horry, George, Rice, or Fox), and the other guy HAS to accounted for on the boards. Put T-mac, PP, or AI in that situation and they would already be talked about in Bird-Magic status. And here's something tangible. Yeah T-mac hasn't seen the second round. But take the guys who have..Kobe isn't even the dominant player on his team, and has PJ as a coach...PP had Walker taking some of the heat and the Celts always had big bodies down there. AI had Larry Brown, another HOF coach, and the overall talent level of those 76er squads has been better than the magic. In playoff basketball, the quality of teammates and coaching will decide how much farther a superstar goes, and that's that. Magic had Abdul-Jabbar, Worthy, Green, Cooper...list goes on. And Pat Riley coached 4 of 5 of those title teams. Bird had Mchale, Parrish, DJ, even Bill Walton for a few years, and their coach wasn't bad. Thomas had Dumars, Chuck Daly and a nasty set of big men Hakeem had awesome 3 point shooters who could also score, and Rudy T at coach Jordan had Pip, a solid rebouder (either Grant or Rodman) and great shooters, plus PJ And Shaq had Kobe and Phil, not Kobe had Shaq and Phil Give a man a team before u say he isn't a big game player, but in terms of talent and production period, T-Mac is tops right now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting largerthankemp :</div><div class="quote_post">I may be new here, but I know when Im looking at a slanted viewpoint.</div> If anybody's viewpoint is slanted, its obviously yours. Just read your post over again. You can make an argument that T-mac is a better player than Kobe, there is an argument there, but i dont see how you can argue that T-mac has more killer instinct than Kobe. You can say he doesn't have a great supporting cast..true, but the fact is T-mac HAS HAD HIS OPPORTUNITIES. The magic were good enough to take 3 of the first 4 games from the pistons. But then, they just couldn't FINISH THEM OFF. T-mac is a very very talented player, but when the game is on the line, his game falls off a bit. If the US was down with the time winding down in the next olympics, there are about 3 or 4 guys i would rather go to before i would go to T-mac. I can tell you are a huge T-mac fan, but calling other posters names (idiotic, moronic etc...) doesn't strengthen your argument. Sorry man...
Ai Had larry brown..?? How many championships has larry brown won..?? what the hell is your point.. u are just giving a bunch of crap excuses.. Im glad that u think u can put anyone next to shaq and theyd win.. WHAT A BUNCH OF CRAP .. Shaq had eddie jones and glen rice in their primes along with nick the quick and elden campbell, and couldnt win, nor could he do it in orlando You are discrediting everything kobe has done.. and giving credit to tracy for ACCOMPLISHING nothing, and saying well he "would" "if" which means abs nothing.. so keep on hating, in your opinion all of kobes game winning baskets that hes made .. dont count becuz shaq is downlow.. last time i checked kobe was still the one putting it in the hole.. What about vince?? Its funny once tracy leaves the team is one basket away from making the ecf with a rookie sg, whats your excuse for that one??? Oh and your point kobe has good shooters.. spotting up?? Check out the magics 3 pointers from last year and the lakers and compare them.. I forgot how good of shooter horry is i mean hes great just look at his 29% last year.. or his 1 for 18 in the playoffs
Tmac came up big against the knicks. He also came up big against the Hornets(he played great down the stretch except for the blocked shot at the end). He's starting to show his killer instinct. But to say that Kobe is better than Tmac just because he's passed the 1st round, that is BS. Kobe has hit more game winning shots than Tmac, but Kobe has Shaq. Kobe is good, but everything comes from Shaq. He gets better looks than Tmac because other teams don't want Shaq to hurt them with dunk after dunk after dunk. Kobe's defense is considered better than it is because noone wants to get their shot stuffed from Shaq. Kobe's defense is good, but he doesn't deserve to be on the 1st team Defensive team. Kobe and Tmac defense is a lot closer than you think. btw, grizzo. I guarantee you if the Raptors still had Tmac, they would have been in the ECF. They probably would have won in 5 or 6 games instead of 7 too.
No ill admit that tracy played well in the FINAL 2 minutes of the knicks game, he played awful before that.. Its the knicks also, i mean whos going to guard him?? He played well lat night for 1 quater, outscoring the whole team, last nights loss wasnt his fault, but the others i dont know about it..And yes if tracy was still in toronto theyd be killin teams.. i just thought it was funny they couldnt win with him, then once he leaves they play a lot better
In Tracy's 3rd year, Vince and Tracy lead the Raptors to the playoffs , and got swept. Tracy averaged 17 points and 8 rebounds, 2 blocks , while being the 2nd option. The Raptors were still young. And you said the Raptors have started winning all of a sudden , last year they were 28-54. Let me speak from an unbiased point of view. Tracy McGrady and Kobe Bryant are 2 of the top 5 players. Paul Pierce and Allen Iverson 2 of the top 10 players The Magic might not even make the playoffs this year, if they do they will get swept. They are two small, dont have enough depth, dont have an NBA caliber point guard. Heck Chucky Atkins could start for the Magic. The last two games its been shown how bad th Magic are , against the Hornets they got killed by Jamal Magloire who had 27 points and 12 rebounds, I would trade Juwan and Drew for Jamal. Then against Detroit Elden Cambell dominated the game. Last night Tracy put up 18 in the 3rd quarter, then before the fourth quarter Juwan told Tracy to give him the ball. Tracy did just that and Juwan couldnt buy a bucket. Tracy got tired and couldnt hit a shot either, not cause he didnt have "Killer Instincts" but because he had played the whole damn game, and Tayshaun Prince, Ben Wallace and Chauncey Billups smothered Mcgrady.
Grizzo, who can guard Tmac period? It's not just because it's the Knicks. I never mentioned last night because he did play poorly down the stretch, but that 3rd quarter is one of the most dominating performances I've ever seen.(I haven't really seen many games other than the Magic) Tmac was unstoppable. He was hitting tough shot after tough shot. Then the Pistons put their whole team on him in the 4th quarter and his team couldn't help him. Tyronn Lue, Juwan Howard sucked down the stretch, bricking shots and committing turnovers. That's the no help thing again. Against the Knicks and Hornets he played great down the stretch. I know he sucked the rest of the Knicks game, but all that matters is down the stretch and that the Magic get a W. Hornets he stepped it up and almost willed the Magic to a win. Magloire came up bigger and blocked the potential game tying shot. My point is he's starting to find his killer instinct. If he can get a good killer instinct and win some games down the stretch for us, then I personally think he will be thought as greater than Kobe. The only thing that seperates Kobe and Tmac(if it even does) is Kobe is a lot more clutch than Tmac. Tmac has a better offensive and less selfish game. Defense is about even, with Kobe getting a little edge. Clutch is what even makes Kobe up there with Tmac.
No way the Magic would trade Juwan Howard and Drew Gooden for Magloire. Gooden is good, he just doesn't get any touches now that we have Howard. Howard has been the biggest weakness for the Magic. He pretty much lost the game against the Pistons for us. The Pistons basically put their whole team on Tmac in the 4th and so he let the offense run through Howard. We had 8 pts in 10 mins with the offense running through Howard. The Magic will get 40 wins and make the playoffs. Doc needs to play Steven Hunter, who can be a defensive force. Zaza is also supposed to be good. It's common sense, you are weak at center, you have 2 young 7 footers who have loads of potential. PLAY THEM. Instead Doc plays Andrew Declerq, who has no skill at all. His only talent is being able to get 3 fouls in a minute, who can't do that though?
Tmac is more unsellfish than kobe.. ?? Are u shaq?? JK Im not gonna turn this thread into a kobe tmac thread.. but if u want to talk about selfish check out who leads the league in fga and who also has taken more threes than antoine walker If the magic could trade howard for magloire they would in a second.. Magloire is a soon to be star who actually has a post game.. gooden and howard both play the same position with no post game and no toughness!! Another horrible pickup by Gabriel.. it goes along with signing lue and picking gaines and sasser in the first round I also was very impressed with tmacs defense in the 4th against the knicks.. however houston has been playing hurt and KVH still lit it up.. Tmac is longer than kobe, however he has no where near the lateral movement and quickness that kobe has that makes him a great one on one defender
Yes, Tmac is. It just doesn't show in his assist totals. He makes nice passes and other people I'm not going to name names, ::cough:: Juwan Howard ::cough:: can't hit a basket. I would definetely do Howard for Magloire straight up. I'd do Howard for fricking Mark Madsen straight up with the way Howard's been playing. Tmac is the only option, therefore he should shoot at least half the shots. While Kobe has him, Shaq, and the other players. So Kobe shoots only a third of the shots. I'm not sure about this, but I think i remember hearing this somewhere, but Kobe shot like 35-40 shots when Shaq was gone last year. Don't give me the BS about he has noone to pass too and when he did they bricked wide open shots. That's what Tmac has to deal with every night. Tmac has really upped his defensive game, but he might have to let that go again this year if his teammates can't take some of the pressure off of him.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting sportsrock37 :</div><div class="quote_post">that 3rd quarter is one of the most dominating performances I've ever seen.(I haven't really seen many games other than the Magic) Tmac was unstoppable.</div> Since we are the topic of kobe and tmac, did u see kobe's 1st half in his final game agasint jordan last year? now THAT was the most dominating spurt performance by a perimeter player maybe ever... I dont think T-mac is more of team player than kobe and vice-versa. Each guy has their own circumstances for shooting and passing. Kobe is in a more structure offense and when he wheels off on his own, its a little bit more noticable. But i dont think he's more selfish. Both players are good team players.
