Raja Bell Phantom Elbow

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">No offense shape, but it sounds like you're just making excuses for Kobe after you were proven wrong.</div>

Proven wrong about what? The second camera angle shown above doesn't confirm there was contact. Different angles show different things. If this angle was shown first and the first one that was posted up shown second, we would all believe that the second one is correct. The point is, that different angles will show different things.

Actually, when you look at the second angle, you will notice Bells face moving towards Kobe's elbow. Just watch Bell on that second replay, while Kobe's arm is in mid-air, Bell's face moves, so Kobe didn't actually know Bell moved his face. Just watch it, you'll see what I mean if you watch Bell, he moves his face towards Kobe's elbow while Kobe goes to catch the ball. It's actually quite clever.

Edit: Watching it again makes it so clear about how Bell moved is head. From the beginning watch where Bell's head starting and where it ended up. Remember, Kobe is looking AWAY from him so he doesn't know Bell's face has moved by about 1.5 feet.

 

Well if you'll notice, Bell is reaching for the ball with his left arm to try to strip it away. So no, he wasn't just moving his head, just so he could get elbowed in the face.

Again, Kobe doesn't need to be looking at Bell to know where he is. If I knew the basic position of a player guarding me and I swung out my elbow, chances are it will make contact with something.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Well if you'll notice, Bell is reaching for the ball with his left arm to try to strip it away. So no, he wasn't just moving his head, just so he could get elbowed in the face.

Again, Kobe doesn't need to be looking at Bell to know where he is. If I knew the basic position of a player guarding me and I swung out my elbow, chances are it will make contact with something.</div>

Bell is not stupid, he knew Kobe was going to catch the ball. In order to do this, he hand to move his arms. Bell could see Kobe, Kobe couldn't see Bell so Kobe didn't know Bell moved his head. Remember, his head must have moved by around 1.5 to 2 feet.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Laker_fan:</div><div class="quote_post">Proven wrong about what? The second camera angle shown above doesn't confirm there was contact. Different angles show different things. If this angle was shown first and the first one that was posted up shown second, we would all believe that the second one is correct. The point is, that different angles will show different things.

Actually, when you look at the second angle, you will notice Bells face moving towards Kobe's elbow. Just watch Bell on that second replay, while Kobe's arm is in mid-air, Bell's face moves, so Kobe didn't actually know Bell moved his face. Just watch it, you'll see what I mean if you watch Bell, he moves his face towards Kobe's elbow while Kobe goes to catch the ball. It's actually quite clever.

Edit: Watching it again makes it so clear about how Bell moved is head. From the beginning watch where Bell's head starting and where it ended up. Remember, Kobe is looking AWAY from him so he doesn't know Bell's face has moved by about 1.5 feet.</div>

Are you kidding me!? Why would Raja go out of his way to get elbowed in the face? This angle is clearly much better, and definitley shows contact. Thanks Durvasa.

 

You can clearly see that Bell was going for the ball. Naturally with that motion your head will move forward and toward the other player.

If he was just moving his head toward Kobe's elbow then maybe I could see your point, but he was obviously trying to steal the ball from Kobe.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting virve119:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you kidding me!? Why would Raja go out of his way to get elbowed in the face? This angle is clearly much better, and definitley shows contact. Thanks Durvasa.</div>

Maybe to get Kobe aka The Lakers best played ejected out of the game?

I don't think you read my post. Bell's face starts off on the left side of the screen and ends up on the right side of the screen. The last time Kobe saw Bell, his position was on the left side of the screen, so if Kobe was aiming for Bell, it would be on the left side of the screen, no the right, incidentally, where it happened.

There are two possible explanations:

1). Bell purposely moved to get elbowed
2). Bell went for the ball and got hit accidentally.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Making an excuse? Those two videos show different angles and the one I posted shows it was more flop than it was contact. The second video shows more contact from Kobe's elbow.

Keep in mind this is in super slow motion, I doubt Kobe was concentrating and where Raja face was so he could elbow him. To me it looks like he was trying to get to the basketball and the elbow was incidental.</div>

Exactly, but the point is that there was still contact. Incidental or not, neither of us knows how hard that contact was. Only Raja and Kobe knows that. I don't see how you can call Bell a liar for saying his jaw hurt when you are neither Kobe or Bell.

 

It wasn't that hard of an elbow I saw the play from both fast and slow motion and it was totally non intentional. Raja flopped because his face got hit. C'mon guys your making Kobe sound like Dikembe Mutombo.

 

And what about Kobe elbowing Barbosa and drawing blood? I guess you're going to chalk that up to a coincidence too. Perhaps D'Antoni is ordering all his players to get elbowed in the face by Kobe.

 

I'm not making excuses look under my favorite players is Kobe there? NO. He elbowed Barbosa and Barbosa took it like a man not like a chick like Raja who didn't even bleed.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">The second video wasn't posted until after mine, my statement came after I watched the first video. I don't think I should have to explain that, it's obvious.</div>

Regardless, you should not have called Bell a liar when you basically had no basis for your argument other than one video angle. Especially when you yourself admit that there was contact after watching another angle.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge before all the facts are in.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Eclipse:</div><div class="quote_post">Regardless, you should not have called Bell a liar when you basically had no basis for your argument other than one video angle. Especially when you yourself admit that there was contact after watching another angle.

You shouldn't be so quick to judge before all the facts are in.</div>

It's the natural thing to do. You judge on the evidence you have until further evidence proves otherwise. It's even more natural to assume when you believe somebody is trying to screw you yourself. Stop crying for an apology and leave it as that.

 

It's amazing to me that some people are so quick to judge people and then won't even admit that they're wrong, instead resorting to making excuses.

 

They did admit that they were wrong. They're just saying why they thought that in the first place.

 

Well, I guess shape was able to magically transport himself into Raja's body to be able to call him a liar and to:

1. know that his jaw wasn't hurting from the elbow and the force of the contact
2. know exactly what Phil said to him

You have some amazing talents there. You're certainly more talented than me.