<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (tim @ Jun 19 2008, 11:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You guys remember that injury to Shaun Livingston? Well that happened today to my friend at a baseball game. Luckily nothing was torn but the knee cap was the same as Livingston's. That was some nasty stuff.</div> Damn that is really lame, I hope he recovers completely.
Bringing this to the RTT... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ( @ Jun 20 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 19 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, that's pretty crazy. I wish you could do something like that in basketball </div> You mean like when Vince Carter got frustrated and tackled the ref in a team USA game against Autralia leaving the ref injured? That was pretty insane. I spent the last few minutes looking for the clip on Youtube, but every time I found the clip on there or another streaming video website, it was removed by either the user or the website. Go figure. It's almost like Carter or the league were trying to cover it up. This is sort of off topic, but I feel like a lot of confrontations in the NBA go unreported and are quickly hidden by the league, the universities, or the players. For example, I can't find the clip of Chris Paul giving Julius Hodge a low-blow anymore, and I never even saw a clip of Lorenzen Wright hitting Zaza Pachulia in the face after seeing it live. </div> That's some pretty fascinating stuff VC, you may be on to something.</div> I was talking with Run about this, and we were recalling how many altercations we've seen live that never made it to the news, highlights, etc., and there's a ridiculous amount. I used to go to just about every Grizzlies' game when they first moved to town, and I'd see altercations and fights all the time. I even saw Tony Massenburg make Shaq back down, haha. A lot of that stuff seems swept under the rug, and I'm sure a lot of people who follow basketball as religiously as we all do can relate. With the reff'ing scandal and whatnot, why not theorize that the league, which is always desparate to improve their image in the media, tries really hard to cover these things up? BTW - Did anyone else see David Letterman diss the Grizz for like 10 minutes improv last night? <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/o5PbDMXpkbc&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/o5PbDMXpkbc&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div> That bit went on throughout the whole show. He ever referenced it in the Allen/Garnett interview - 7:38 - "Now here's what it's like... uh, I think, having never played professional basketball... er... at least in this country... although I did play for the Grizzlies for a while." <div><object width="425" height="350"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rm3JNH6HCtY&"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rm3JNH6HCtY&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="350" /></embed></object></div> That's a great interview by the way. Allen has a pretty heartfelt response to his kid's illness, and Garnett keeps twitching like he's still hyped about the win. Well that, and he probably hasn't slept much since, so who can blame him?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 20 2008, 03:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bringing this to the RTT... <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ( @ Jun 20 2008, 01:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 19 2008, 01:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wow, that's pretty crazy. I wish you could do something like that in basketball </div> You mean like when Vince Carter got frustrated and tackled the ref in a team USA game against Autralia leaving the ref injured? That was pretty insane. I spent the last few minutes looking for the clip on Youtube, but every time I found the clip on there or another streaming video website, it was removed by either the user or the website. Go figure. It's almost like Carter or the league were trying to cover it up. This is sort of off topic, but I feel like a lot of confrontations in the NBA go unreported and are quickly hidden by the league, the universities, or the players. For example, I can't find the clip of Chris Paul giving Julius Hodge a low-blow anymore, and I never even saw a clip of Lorenzen Wright hitting Zaza Pachulia in the face after seeing it live. </div> That's some pretty fascinating stuff VC, you may be on to something.</div> I was talking with Run about this, and we were recalling how many altercations we've seen live that never made it to the news, highlights, etc., and there's a ridiculous amount. I used to go to just about every Grizzlies' game when they first moved to town, and I'd see altercations and fights all the time. I even saw Tony Massenburg make Shaq back down, haha. A lot of that stuff seems swept under the rug, and I'm sure a lot of people who follow basketball as religiously as we all do can relate. With the reff'ing scandal and whatnot, why not theorize that the league, which is always desparate to improve their image in the media, tries really hard to cover these things up? </div> Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I remember being able to go anywhere to see Yinka Dare's NBA fight videos - now, I can't find them anywhere (except on my hard drive). Right now, I have Miller vs. Kobe; Yinka Dare NBA fights vol. I, II and III; Miller vs. Jordan; and Top 10 Fights of All Time (ESPN). The Vince Carter thing is on Yinka Dare NBA fights vol. II. Pretty sick. He actually shoved the dude over, made him fall on his arm. It shows a couple guys taking the ref away, while he's holding his arm. And before that, it shows a sequence where VC takes a shot, and the European player falls on him, seemingly trying to purposely foul Vince. Vince then grabs the guy, flips him over onto the floor, gets up, and stands over him and yells in his face. Then, some other guy gets up in his face, and he starts pushin him away and yelling at him, while Kidd is dragging him away. Quite entertaining, actually. Not gonna lie, I love watching those NBA fights videos.
About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 20 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...</div> It was probably reported that way, but the way we got on the topic was this clip in the "other baseball" forum of a high school pitcher and catcher allegedly conspiring to nail an umpire in the face with a pitch. You could make the same claim for that pitch being accidental, but after knowing the circumstances leading up to the incident and watching it on film, you might draw a different conclusion. For me, it's the same way for Carter. He was frustrated that whole game and was getting into it with the refs about a bad call just prior to knocking the guy down. It could have been an accident, but it also could have very well been premeditated. I think it's up to the viewer to make the call on that one.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 20 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...</div> Yeah, you could say that. It's not done uploading yet! I told you at 12, 2 and a half hours!
I remember being so excited about VC that summer. The Toronto media criticized him for some of the stuff he did, but I just thought it was awesome to see him play with an edge. It's too bad he could only sustain it for that one year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Voodoo Child @ Jun 20 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 20 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...</div> It was probably reported that way, but the way we got on the topic was this clip in the "other baseball" forum of a high school pitcher and catcher allegedly conspiring to nail an umpire in the face with a pitch. You could make the same claim for that pitch being accidental, but after knowing the circumstances leading up to the incident and watching it on film, you might draw a different conclusion. For me, it's the same way for Carter. He was frustrated that whole game and was getting into it with the refs about a bad call just prior to knocking the guy down. It could have been an accident, but it also could have very well been premeditated. I think it's up to the viewer to make the call on that one. </div> Not to mention Carter didn't even check to see if the ref was okay after the hit. He just walked towards the bench. Actually, I even remember him throwing his hands in the air as the initial contact occurred. I'm thinking Vince was well aware of who knocked into him. I would love to see the video again, though.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 20 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 20 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...</div> Yeah, you could say that. It's not done uploading yet! I told you at 12, 2 and a half hours! </div> Maybe your computer went into standby
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 20 2008, 02:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (pegs @ Jun 20 2008, 02:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brian @ Jun 20 2008, 01:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>About the Vince Carter and the ref issue, I thought that was on accident? Wasn't he running back on defense and accidently ran into the ref? Maybe I'm talking about something else...</div> Yeah, you could say that. It's not done uploading yet! I told you at 12, 2 and a half hours! </div> Maybe your computer went into standby </div> My computer doesn't standby. It chills. Can't you wait like a half an hour to see if it'll finish?!?! It's not my fault, tis' that Damn Slow L
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (o.iatlhawksfan @ Jun 20 2008, 01:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lorenzen Wright never hit Zaza, Solomon Jones did.</div> Nah, this was back when Wright played for Memphis. I was at the game. It was some time in the preseason, and I don't even remember what prompted it, but Wright was suspended a game for it.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (#1_Yinka_Dare_Fan @ Jun 20 2008, 09:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Megaupload them?</div> http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DW1Q1MBK for anyone that wants em
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake @ Jun 20 2008, 07:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Who the hell is Vince Carter?</div> Who the hell are you?
I'm Master Shake. But this Vince Carter character intrigues me? He sounds like the type of guy who would whine and complain about soft injuries then leave his team to have 1 good season, then fall off again.
