Forum Game Rank the current top five PG’s

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  1. Minstrel

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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Defining players by size rather than role makes absolutely no sense, IMO. By your definition, if Damon Stoudamire and James Harden played together, Stoudamire would "have to be" the point guard because he's smaller, even though Harden is a far, far, far better point guard. If a point guard is not the guard that takes on the role of lead ball-handler, distributor and decision-maker, then yeah, position designations don't mean anything.

    And, honestly, position designations mean less and less these days. Curry is a "point guard," but the Warriors' system decentralizes the passing and play-making, empowering power forwad Draymond Green and swingman Andre Iguodala to be important play-makers, or even centers like Andrew Bogut. But as far as I'm concerned, if people want to ask about point guards, Harden's role falls squarely within it.
     
  2. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    So maybe rank players by height!
     
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  3. PCmor7

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    My best point guards of the last 30 years

    1. LeBron
    2. Durant
    3. Sabas
    4. Pippen
    5. Giannis

    Oh, wait, I forgot to put Jordan in there somewhere.
     
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    I covered a state-championship girls basketball team once. Small school. Best player was 6 feet tall. Good enough ballhandler and shooter that they could isolate her. She never guarded perimeter players though. She seldom was guarded by perimeter players.

    She was seeking a DI scholarship. In the program, they listed her as a guard. When I called her a forward or a swing player, her dad called me in the office to tell me in no uncertain terms that his daughter was a guard. He said she was a guard because in her HS team's program she was a guard. I said it didn't matter what they called her, she played forward. She still posted up a lot on offense. She played at least half the time in the paint, especially on defense.

    She got her DI scholly. She played the 3 and the 4 there. Her college listed her as a forward.

    Another local girl was seeking a DI offer. She definitely was a point guard. She was shorter than me. I listed her height as 2 inches shorter than me. Her dad came to me and said I listed her height wrong, that she was my height. I said she can't be my height, I can see over her head when we are standing face to face. He insisted she was my height. Her dad's friend was a coach. He came to me and insisted she was my height. I asked him the same thing: How can she be my height if I am taller than her.

    She got her DI scholarship despite my listing of her height. Turned out how she played was more important.
     
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    I have a female cousin 6’4 and played in college though I dont know where she’s like 20 years older than me, she played Forward.
     
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    Hello darkness, my old friend
    Sure, and most of my posts have been about how Harden pretty clearly plays the point guard role for Houston. D'Antoni considers him a point guard because he plays him as a point guard, gives him the point guard duties.
     
  7. handiman

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    And Harden isn't trying to earn a scholarship at the next level by being labeled a more favorable position relative to his height. He's already a point guard at the highest level.
     
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    No. He's just trying to be recognized as a point guard, which he isn't.

    A sea horse isn't a horse. A shooting star isn't a star. And James Harden isn't a point guard, regardless of what you or D'Antoni tries to make him out to be.
     
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    Yeah. Except he doesn't play point guard for the Rockets. Chris Paul does that.
     
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    To convince anyone of that, you need to establish how Harden's role changed when Paul arrived.
     
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    Why would I have to do that? He wasn't a point guard before Paul arrived either.
     
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    So anyway, handiman and Minstrel, where do KD and LeBron fit onto your ranking of point guards?
     
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    I've played on teams where I'm the biggest guy on the court and I have to bring the ball up and/or the offense runs through me either in the high post or down low. It doesn't mean I'd call myself a PG.
     
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    Those guys except Sabonis are point forwards!
     
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    That’s funny. You sound like a Paul George.
     
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    Lanny Original Season Ticket Holder "Mr. Big Shot"

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    Hey Wookee, that's the best post I've seen in a long long time.
    Thanks, followed by a hearty handshake. Maybe a back slap or two or three or . . .
     
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    I doubt they or their coaches would label them as point guards. They're arguably not even the primary ball handlers on their teams, with guys like Irving and Green/Curry handling much of that load. The LeBron/KD types might bring the ball up and run the offense down the stretch, but they don't carry the same load the bulk of the game.

    I can see why parents and coaches hated arguing the point with you.
     
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    Because I point out the fallacies in their arguments. Yeah.

    LeBron and KD do EXACTLY the same thing as Harden. It just doesn't fit your definition because they don't care if they are labeled as point guards or not. Like I said before, you can call it whatever you want, but it doesn't make it that.
     
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    No, because you immediately dismiss anything that doesn't fit your preconceived notions. "Why would I have to do that? He wasn't a point guard before Paul arrived either." Open-mindedness and you are not on the same page...
     

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