Politics 'Ransom' paid to Iran?

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  1. riverman

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    Actually sounds like you want to get all huffy and start shit...what they did was part of the process of solving a problem
     
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    I fail to see what the non-ransom paid in January has to do with BENGHAZI!!! Oh, but with the Trump campaign imploding and many people, even Republicans, figuring they'd rather vote for a sane candidate despite disagreements with her, BENGHAZI!!! may be all that's left. True, nine investigations have not resulted in anything indictable but maybe the 10th planned for this fall will. I someone mentions a new episode of Law & Order we'll hear the real crime is BENGHAZI!!! Talk about cooking dinner and we'll hear Hillary's goose is cooked because BENGHAZI!!! Mention Damian's new shoe line and we'll hear Hillary will be in prison clothes because BENGHAZI!!! Zika is spreading and Senator McConnell acknowledged the bill proposed was deliberately loaded with poison pills so it would not pass and we'll hear about people died in BENGHAZI!!! I'd bet most of the BENGHZI!!!-philes could not even specify the "lies" of Hillary Clinton, they just know she did. True, there was no stand down order. True, she was not asleep (it was mid-afternoon in DC). But we KNOW she personally killed thousands at BENGHAZI!!!

    Hillary Clinton said that the lessons of Benghazi (as opposed to BENGHAZI!!!) are to fight to bring the perpetrators to justice. And to learn the lessons so such an attack is never repeated. For example, not a good idea for Congress to cut security budget for US embassies in volatile parts of the world. That's what serious people do when such tragedies happen.

    And oh yes, no ransom was paid, it's 8 months old news, Trump did not see a video of a delivery in Iran.
     
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  3. blue32

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    Whoa calm down turbo... You're getting triggered.

    No.. what they did was negotiate with terrorists and cave into demands. Then hide it under some stupid shit about giving back a terrorism funding state their 'original money'.

    You don't give money to terrorists..... period.

    It's cool though right? I mean who cares about who they'll kill next.


    War and suicide bombing are two different things. I'd gladly sacrifice troops to save innocent lives. That's what we do as Americans, and what we've always done. And the people that sign up for the armed forces understand that risk.
     
  4. Denny Crane

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    But no video exists.
     
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  8. MarAzul

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    How many hostages yet to be held will you be willing to pay ransom to get back?
     
  9. barfo

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    You understand that Trump has already admitted he made all that shit up? So you are defending bullshit that even Donald Trump disavows.

    barfo
     
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    You do realize there is a video made by the Iranians showing the ransom, right?
     
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    I realize that Trump never saw it or knew about it, and was talking out his ass, which everyone in the world now agrees to - even Trump - with the sole exception of Denny Crane.

    barfo
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Or Trump had a come to Jesus meeting with top republicans, and they came out of that realizing it's better not to fight your silly battles.
     
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    Yes, that apparently did happen. Now all we need is for someone to have a meeting with you, so that you can stop fighting Trump's silly battles for him.

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    There you go again.
     
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    to get hostages was just a throw in with the deal.....this was an Iranian account in Denver set up before the Shah was ousted...the money was for arms purchased and never delivered between 1979 and 1981 from what I read and was part of the negotiations to relieve sanctions in trade for Iran stopping a nuke weapons program....the hostages were a gesture of good faith. It's called diplomacy and the current leader of Iran is a moderate who can be swayed, unlike the last 4 leaders they've had....for Iran...the young are basically waiting for the old guard to die off.
     
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    I applaud the effort to get Iran and Cuba to the bargaining table...people think in short term fixes but long term fixes are actually more realistic. If you happen to love Trump and hate Muslims....then my thoughts about all this won't change anybody.
     
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    I notice you most definitely did not answer the question. Well I probably will ask it again before too long.
    I sort of like the 10 bucks in a stuffed bag approach. The Muslim hostage taker can accept and pretend it was a haul, or fuck up and reject the final offer. Either way the hostage is leaving.
    The incentive to take another is really low after either choice.
     
  19. MarAzul

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    You do understand, that there is another possibility? Try thinking about understanding Muslims through careful study and observation through experience.

    Ha! but I see you got a "like" for as far as you went.
     
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    I don' understand the question Marz...if they haven't been held yet...how are they hostages? How many deals are you willing to keep payment on that you never delivered on? There's a question...so I guess stolen art from WWII would be finders keepers?
     

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