that last year of his contract shouldnt be a concern for raps fans at all...considering how much of a hot commodity expiring contracts are, it will be VERY easy to unload an expiring 8mill contract
Bold move by Colangelo. But really, how much of a downside does this move bring? The only one I can really think of is the length/size of Rasho's contract. But really its only two years and we would have had to pay that much (probably more) for a 5 anyways. On the other side, Rasho's a legit 7-footer who can rebound/defend and is making the transition to the Eastern Conference. I think this move is relatively low-risk, when it comes down to it. Plus, by 2009 we should be a contending team and that pick will hopefully be a lot crappier.
This seems like a solid move to me. All we need from Rasho is rebounding and defense. He will definitely be playing a lot of minutes here so his numbers should improve. Also, Bosh no longer has to guard and play center, which should free him up and not have him take as much physical punishment at the same time. It seems as if Bosh got worn down a couple times last year. I had enough with Bonner after watching him last season. One game he would have decent numbers and then the next he would completely suck it up. He also tried driving to the lane last year which was a complete disaster and he was completely useless on defense. Saying all that, I wish him well in SA, he seems like a nice guy Mitchell will have to say good-bye to Bonner. He seemed to have a weird love affair with Bonner last season. I'm happy to get rid of Williams as well. He was a cancer and a distraction to the team. Maybe he will like the SA bench better than the one in Toronto. Maybe more comfy seats for him to sit on.
awful trade...really disappointed in colangelo right now eric williams+bonner are expiring contracts therefore it makes them more valuable than they should be...not to mention their salary is very modest also...we paid CASH (i don't know the amount but money is money)+2nd round pick along with them.... there is a saying in the NBA that...do NOT talkwith Buford....he is the silent killer to deals and free agent drafts in a good way that is toronto might be desparate for a big men but personally that price you can sign two players in Ely's calibre and personally i think Ely is more useful than nestrovic...
First, San Antonio gave us cash not vice versa. Secondly, Ely is a restricted FA and if we were to try to sign him for something cheap, Charolette would match the offer. What do you think Colangelo should have done? (on acquiring 7 foot centers)
Well i think when it comes down to it ... we could sign a C on the market with similar credetials for around the same price. But this way we dump some salary in the process so i wouldn't say i'm too upset. It's eating some cap room but not too much... if we sign a C on the market we'd be committing for longer and taking the same risks we are right now with Rasho ... The trend with centres seems to be to lock a guy up in a long term deal for a moderate or (more than moderate) amount of money, hope he works out and then you're getting him for way less than he's worth. If we compare the contract we're getting from this deal to the one we would have had to sign to get a FA (which may resemble something like Dalembert's or Jerome James') we're doing at least ok.
sorry my bad...couldn't read english properly i suppose anyways....if nesterovic has 2 years left on his overpaid contract i think it's fine however it's 3 years... also personally i think if toronto were to grab a centre from spurs, it should be mohammed...not nesterovic it's true nesterovic can do some defence and all but at the same time..he fouls quite often and is not really a tough presence inside (but of course nobody can foul as often as...the mighty brazilian toronto shipped away) What colangelo should have done is use bonner+2nd round+eric williams for somebody more potent and less lengthy contract wilcox/ely (charlotte has limited budget and as far as i know ely wants out)/mohammed and the superwild card called Verejao fits in the category of big men with relatively low contract (in east you don't need 7 footers) przybilla would be nice however his demand/contract should be expensive dalembert and magloire are a nono too expensive...simple as that
Didnt Toronto just offload a bust centre? They would've been better taking their chances on Hoffa than this IMO. If they wanted a decent centre, they should've gone after Joel Pryzbilla in free agency.
It's great to toss names out there, but let's be realistic. Pryzbilla will be looking for AT LEAST similar money if not more as he is the "premier" center FA available this summer...BUT he will also want probably a 4 or 5 year deal so what's the diff? The cavs wouldn't trade Varejo for williams and bonner, seattle will resign Wilcox for what he should make, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone throws big money at him....he could be a solid player but you can't pay someone that much unless they are proven which he isn't. Ely hasn't proven anything and Mohammed fouls almost as much as Hoffa. Rasho played good while he was in Minny which was the reason that San Antonio signed him, he just was lost in the mix there where the posts play is very solid, not as many minutes, all the balls in the post to Duncan. When in Minny he played with KG who played in the high post allowing Rasho some space to operate much in the same way that Bosh will. Really we get a useful possible starter for 2 players who weren't in the plans or going to contribute meaningful minutes.
Well Colangelo does do some questionable moves.. Diaw for JJ?? Lets wait and see how things go before everyone starts ripping Rasho already. Sure he's overpaid but tell me one center that isn't and not in their rookie contract..
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting P.A.P.:</div><div class="quote_post">Im on the borderline with the trade because of Rasho's contract. 3 years at the money he is gettin is a little too long, considering that Matt and Eric had contracts that ran for only 2 more years..leaving us with Rasho's 8 million on contract for an extra. I'm sure BC has something in plan for that 3rd year..well I hope. Looking at the team right now and our situation, we get a legit 7 footer who can play, hopefully like he did in Minesotta, and will be contributing more than Eric and Bonner on both ends.</div> Actually, Eric's and Bonner's contacts expire after this coming season whereas Rasho's expires in 2009. So that's 16 million extra as opposed to 8 mill. I'm not too sure about this one. If I was an outsider looking in at this trade, it definitely appears that we got fleeced. The Spurs were able to dump a guy with a huge salary and who they don't really like in the first place for expiring contracts and a 2nd rounder. Yes we got cash from them, but that doesn't help in our cap situation (at least, I don't think so). The only reason Colangelo did this is so we can have a big body to protect Bosh.... but I'm pretty sure Rasho and his big contract isn't the right answer. The other thread about Colangelo being fascinated with crappy white guys (other than Nash) is starting to make sense now. First Humphries, now Rasho, and possibly Bargnani.... hhmmmm..... not saying Bargnani stinks, but it still seems like he has some sort of strange interest with white dudes.
Seriously, Bonner has little or no trade value. His skills are limited and his defense is worse. I don't even have to tell you what Eric Williams is worth. Also, that 2nd round pick is the extra one we got from the Aaron Williams trade so we still have our own pick in the 2nd round in '07. I heard Colangelo mention that on Sportsnet today. Why don't we just give Rasho a chance before we start ripping into him? Colangelo deserves at least some leeway in terms of what he's done in the past. No need to jump to conclusions before the season's even started.
I'm trying to make sense of this trade as far as how Colangelo wants to build this team. Originally I thought he was going to use the same blueprint he had in Phoenix, not it appears he's modeling his team like the Mavs. His last two moves have brought in a lot of size and bulk on the frontline. Rasho, Humphries, and Whaley are suited for halfcourt basketball where they can just wear down their opponents. If that's the gameplan then this deal makes complete sense. If the Raptors aren't going to be a halfcourt team, then my guess is Rasho gets traded one more time in a package deal. Rasho might be overpaid based on his production, but legit 7 footers are a premium in the league, so Rasho's price tag is the market rate. He's not going to get you 20/10 every night, but Rasho can be effective. In San Antonio he fell out of favor with the coaching staff and it hurt his confidence. Still Rasho can give you a steady 10/7 from the center position and dish out a lot of punishment. Rasho is huge, and clogs the middle well. He's fundamentally sound and will coached having played with Flip and Popovich. If you think Rasho is terrible, just look back at how bad Minnesota has struggled since they traded him. The two guys they've tried to replace Rasho with are Michael Olowokandi and Mark Blount. With Rasho/Whaley/Sow the Raptors have that 3 headed center teams seem to be favoring more and more. These are similar to the Dampier/Diop/Mbenga trio Dallas uses, playing a center by committee, and using up all 18 fouls on any given night.
Ever wonder why Bosh doesnt care who Colangelo drafts now? Before he was saying no to Bargnani and wanted Aldridge, because he wanted a big body. Bosh apparently is satisfied and Colangelo can now draft Bargnani.
I think Rasho can be decent. I don't like how much he makes, and he's not as good a rebounder as I'd want (though playing with KG could affect that), but he can give about 8 points, 6-8 rebounds, and 1.5 blocks or so if he get's decent minutes, so that's pretty good. Also if Sow continues to develop, we can have them share the C minutes and be pretty good for us.
As long as he puts up high percentages, having a bigger body does wonders, if a guy has the same statline as him but is say, 6'10" 230, hes not gonna have the same impact.
