<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'>How about Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green for pure depth to compete with Toronto? Nash and his backup would also compete with Kidd and his backup.</div></p> Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green is a solid group but there's no stars out of those four.</p> And I don't like Marcus Banks. I like him less than Marcus Williams, and I don't even think he's that much better than a 39 year old Darrell Armstrong.</p> </div></p> Asfarasthatgoes,Idon'tthinkTorontohasastarPGeither. IagreewithMosDefinitelythatbotharegoodandbothcouldstartforatleasthalftheteamsintheleague,butneitherisastar. Iseetwodebateshere,thefirstiswhichoftheteamswithdepth,TorontoorPortland,hasthebetterPGsandwhichteamwithastarPG,NJorPhoenix,hasthebetterPGs. Thesecondiswhichisbetter,depthwithseveralprettygoodPGsoronestarPG? IsayPortland wins both debates.</p> </div></p> Yeah but the thing is I'd take Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong over Portland's bunch. I think those three combined trump those four. Armstrong is a freak of nature at 39, Marcus has alot of potental and talent, and Kidd is Kidd.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> The Nets' backup PG is Marcus Williams.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> Not if Frank wants to win </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'>How about Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green for pure depth to compete with Toronto? Nash and his backup would also compete with Kidd and his backup.</div></p> Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green is a solid group but there's no stars out of those four.</p> And I don't like Marcus Banks. I like him less than Marcus Williams, and I don't even think he's that much better than a 39 year old Darrell Armstrong.</p> </div></p> Asfarasthatgoes,Idon'tthinkTorontohasastarPGeither. IagreewithMosDefinitelythatbotharegoodandbothcouldstartforatleasthalftheteamsintheleague,butneitherisastar. Iseetwodebateshere,thefirstiswhichoftheteamswithdepth,TorontoorPortland,hasthebetterPGsandwhichteamwithastarPG,NJorPhoenix,hasthebetterPGs. Thesecondiswhichisbetter,depthwithseveralprettygoodPGsoronestarPG? IsayPortland wins both debates.</p> </div></p> I think Toronto has way better depth then Portland, and better PG's. Ford is beet then Jack and Calderon is better then Rodriguez. Plus our bench is better too. Garbo, Delfino, Calderon, Rasho,Graham, Dixon, Jackson, Humphries, Baston, Moon.</p> As for better PG's between Kidd and Nash, I gotta go with Kidd overall, Nash is a better passer. Kidd can do so much because he knows how to read rebounds, and he can do it all. Nash is a great teammate who can through it anywhere and get the ball in your hands.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Sam Mitchell should realize who else is in the division before he makes comments like these. I guess he has selective memory.</p> </div></p> Yeah, it would be soooo much better that he trashes his own players. What is this world coming to when a head coach displays confidence about his roster to the media?</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Sam Mitchell should realize who else is in the division before he makes comments like these. I guess he has selective memory.</p> </div></p> Yeah, it would be soooo much better that he trashes his own players. What is this world coming to when a head coach displays confidence about his roster to the media?</p> </p> </div></p> Owned.</p> Realize who else is in the division? We just won our division, we can talk however we want. We have a very good team, and we are young. If I had Calderon and Ford on my team, I would boast all day. Do you not understand how valuable Calderon is? Teams with cap will through 6-7 mill at this guy, maybe more.</p> </p> </p>
How about Lakers?</p> Derek Fisher , Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl.</p> </p> I think Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong are very solid right now.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Real)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> Sam Mitchell should realize who else is in the division before he makes comments like these. I guess he has selective memory.</p> </div></p> Yeah, it would be soooo much better that he trashes his own players. What is this world coming to when a head coach displays confidence about his roster to the media?</p> </p> </div></p> Owned.</p> Realize who else is in the division? We just won our division, we can talk however we want. We have a very good team, and we are young. If I had Calderon and Ford on my team, I would boast all day. Do you not understand how valuable Calderon is? Teams with cap will through 6-7 mill at this guy, maybe more.</p> </p> </p> </div></p> </p> I'm sorry to say about this, But the Nets just beat the Toronto in the First Round, Jason Kidd almost handled Ford/Calderon by his own while Marcus was a rookie.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How about lakers?</p> Derek Fisher , Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl.</p> </p> I think Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong are very solid right now.</p> </p> </div></p> Lmao, I've seen better PG depth in the WNBA.</p> Kidd/Laptop/Armstrong is a pretty solid core, but Ford/Calderon/Dixon I guess isn't to bad. We don't really have a 3<sup>rd </sup>point guard. In my mind, Calderon is better then Laptop. While Ford is better then Armstrong. Calderon is always a tough match-up for Kidd, while Ford sometimes has trouble.</p> Also, so what? Nets beat us in the first round. Kidd has trouble with Calderon, and it was our first time in the playoffs in over 5 years. We had 9 new guys and we won our division. So please, Kidd is a great PG, but he won't be winning a championship with the Nets.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How about Lakers?</p> Derek Fisher , Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl.</p> </div></p> That is awful. Not an NBA starter in the bunch.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> I'm sorry to say about this, But the Nets just beat the Toronto in the First Round, Jason Kidd almost handled Ford/Calderon by his own while Marcus was a rookie.</p> </div></p> It wasn't a 2-on-2 game.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How about lakers?</p> Derek Fisher , Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl.</p> </p> I think Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong are very solid right now.</p> </p> </div></p> Lmao, I've seen better PG depth in the WNBA.</p> Kidd/Laptop/Armstrong is a pretty solid core, but Ford/Calderon/Dixon I guess isn't to bad. We don't really have a 3<sup>rd </sup>point guard. In my mind, Calderon is better then Laptop. While Ford is better then Armstrong. Calderon is always a tough match-up for Kidd, while Ford sometimes has trouble.</p> Also, so what? Nets beat us in the first round. Kidd has trouble with Calderon, and it was our first time in the playoffs in over 5 years. We had 9 new guys and we won our division. So please, Kidd is a great PG, but he won't be winning a championship with the Nets.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Marcus was just young, and he has learned and improved so much in the summer time, so you can't assume he is still as raw as he was inhis first season.</p> And Marcus is a better passer than Calderon IMO. Yeah, Ford is better than Armstrong overally, but Armstrong is a better defensive player.</p> Kidd >>> Ford or Calderon. Dixon is just like a shooter. So I would say the Nets have the better PGs.</p> </p> Yeah, maybe Kidd can not win the ring with the Nets, but so do you. And I would say Kidd is better than Jacque Vaughnwho has a ringin any day.</p> </p> I said the Nets beat Raptors is to represent that winning the Division is nothing.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'></p> represent that winning the Division is nothing.</p> </div></p> Except getting knocked out of the first round! Zing! </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MosDefinitely)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'>How about Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green for pure depth to compete with Toronto? Nash and his backup would also compete with Kidd and his backup.</div></p> Booo, you guys are underrating the Raptor's PG...I bet Ford or Calderon could start on probably 15 NBA teams right now.</p> </div></p> And do better than Kidd? That'd be nice to see. And I also bet Kidd could get his team past the 1st round with a player like Bosh on his team, along with all those other guys on the Raps.</p> I'd also like to see the two Raps PGs get more than one triple double in the season and get their team to the finals, let alone the 2nd round. I'd also like to see the two play defense like Kidd does, when he needs to.</p> We're not underrating the Raps' PGs. We're comparing them to Kidd. The arguement is Toronto's PGs vs. New Jersey's PGs, and obviously, with a HALL OF FAMER and perennial All-Star as the starting point guard, the advantage goes to the Nets.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MosDefinitely)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (gambitnut)</div><div class='quotemain'>How about Jack/Blake/Rodriguez/Green for pure depth to compete with Toronto? Nash and his backup would also compete with Kidd and his backup.</div></p> Booo, you guys are underrating the Raptor's PG...I bet Ford or Calderon could start on probably 15 NBA teams right now.</p> </p> </div></p> Yup. And any team in the league besides one, would take Kidd.</p> </p>
[quote name='Master Shake']</p> [quote name='cpawfan']</p> [quote name='Real']</p> Sam Mitchell should realize who else is in the division before he makes comments like these. I guess he has selective memory.</p> [/QUOTE]</p> Yeah, it would be soooo much better that he trashes his own players. What is this world coming to when a head coach displays confidence about his roster to the media?</p> </p> [/QUOTE]</p> Owned. [/quote]</p> Blasphemy! The only thing cpaw owns me in is years! </p> </p> Yeah but you just got beat in the playoffs by the second place team in the division.</p> This isn't new. Mitchell also made comments about Kidd back in the playoffs. He has a knack for saying some strange things.</p>
One thing you have to take into account when you point to that playoff series as an argument against our PG's: Coaching: Both of Toronto's PG's played well during that series but Sam Mitchell never really seemed to understand which matchups were working and how to use either of them to their maximum potential. As a result, TJ Ford had the ball in his hands far too often and our set plays were so ridiculously predictable (pick and roll, PG drive). Calderon was the best matchup against New Jersey, because he knew how to initiate motion by himself, and Mitchell didn't seem to recognize that until the last couple minutes of Game 6. And as great a PG as Kidd is, he had it pretty easy against a defense that could not make an adjustment when a player started to get effective (eg: VC coming off picks in Game 3). How many of his points/assists came from a crappy Toronto offensive set that resulted in an easy NJ fast break opportunity? Kidd did a great job of taking advantage of it, but you would never know how easy he had it just looking at the statline. And for some reason Mitchell also never seemed to realize that he couldn't hit a jumpshot if his life depended on it (during that series at least). It depends on the roster (there's no way I'd pair TJ Ford with Vince Carter), but I'd probably take Ford and Calderon over Kidd and scrub.</p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> It depends on the roster (there's no way I'd pair TJ Ford with Vince Carter), but I'd probably take Ford and Calderon over Kidd and scrub.</p> </div></p> Really? Why?</p> No matter which of them you have in the game, you are always trying to cover up their considerable weaknesses.</p> That's not much different than what most teams do, but you are turning down Jason Kidd.</p> </p> </p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Master Shake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p> How about lakers?</p> Derek Fisher , Jordan Farmar, Javaris Crittenton, Sasha Vujacic, Coby Karl.</p> </p> I think Kidd/Marcus/Armstrong are very solid right now.</p> </p> </div></p> Lmao, I've seen better PG depth in the WNBA.</p> Kidd/Laptop/Armstrong is a pretty solid core, but Ford/Calderon/Dixon I guess isn't to bad. We don't really have a 3<sup>rd </sup>point guard. In my mind, Calderon is better then Laptop. While Ford is better then Armstrong. Calderon is always a tough match-up for Kidd, while Ford sometimes has trouble.</p> Also, so what? Nets beat us in the first round. Kidd has trouble with Calderon, and it was our first time in the playoffs in over 5 years. We had 9 new guys and we won our division. So please, Kidd is a great PG, but he won't be winning a championship with the Nets.</p> </p> </div></p> </p> Marcus was just young, and he has learned and improved so much in the summer time, so you can't assume he is still as raw as he was inhis first season.</p> And Marcus is a better passer than Calderon IMO. Yeah, Ford is better than Armstrong overally, but Armstrong is a better defensive player.</p> Kidd >>> Ford or Calderon. Dixon is just like a shooter. So I would say the Nets have the better PGs.</p> </p> Yeah, maybe Kidd can not win the ring with the Nets, but so do you. And I would say Kidd is better than Jacque Vaughnwho has a ringin any day.</p> </p> I said the Nets beat Raptors is to represent that winning the Division is nothing.</p> </div></p> Laptop was young, but that is no excuse. He was so low on confidence, that he just couldn't play at a high level, and Calderon was so much better then him. No matter what potential you think Marcus has, Calderon is better right now, and I think will be in the near future. As Chutney has said, coaching was a big part of it. Mitchell does have problems with match-ups, and doesn't really fix them.</p> Yeah, maybe Kidd can not win the ring with the Nets, but so do you? So do I what?. Of course Kidd is better then Jacque Vaughn, but what does that have to do with anything. Vaughn played like 2 minutes a game, and he won because the Spurs are better then the Nets. That is a way different topic. You cannot compare Kidd who plays 38 minutes per game, to a guy who plays 2. Matt Bonner won a ring, am I comparing him to Chris Bosh? No, because it is a different situation.</p> Well, winning the division means, we came a long way from last year. We where a young, new team in the playoffs. I'm not going to make an excuse for the Raptors. They lost, and that's it. Nothing left to say.</p> </p>
