Raptors Official Offseason Thread (Signings, trades, etc)

^exactly...and knowing Cuban, generosity towards other teams is not anywhere within his mind.

 

what the raptors need.

this has been the only reason that the raptors havent been succseding b4 is because they have scorers but dont have rebounders or a point guard. chris bosh is a great player but he needs time and he should be at the 4 not the 5. so if the raptors are able to get a strong center then they would be a lock for the playoffs. they have plenty of scores in rose carter and marshall. now alvin williams is not a good point guard. he plays 30 some mintues and avereged numbers that should come from a bench player.rose can play the point but if he does his scoring wont be as much and the fact that they mite not resign peterson who is there backup sf. so this offseason is toronto is able to geta center and a point guard(hopefully williams will be taken in the draft) then they would b a great team.

<font color="red">I had to merge your thread with this one because it was a duplicate.
-thefranchise3</font>

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting dj_premium_plus:</div><div class="quote_post">

thier games are COMPLETELY different. nelson is NOTHING like starbury. on what basis are you making that comparison? have you even seen nelson play? the only thing similar is that they play the same position.</div>


I'm talking about what kind of impact he'll make on the team.

 

I don't like the prospect's at Number 8 for the raptors( except maybe devin harris). I doubt this would work or happen but i thought i should throw it out. I think they should look to trade the 8th pick with boston for the 15th and 24th selection of the draft they might have to throw in a player or pick-up a contract. Then they should look at addresing both C and Pg which i think everybody can agree they both need. here are some combinations.

Here are some player's who might help the raptors in that range:

With the 15th pick - Robert Swift, Jameer nelson , Rafael Araujo

24th Pick - Sebastien telfair, Peter Ramos 7-3 260 C (P.Rico) 1985

If they do this they should pick up some Veteran's with hard work ethics to help the kids develope cause you can't go to young, Im talking to you Bulls and the Clippers
Fans.

 

^ I'm pretty sure Telfair will be picked up higher than 24th & Nelson will probably be picked higher than 15th as well

 

Nelson is in lottery now by many draft reports, the guy has been killing in workouts, and if Harris, Gordon and Livingston are gone at 7th, the Suns will likely take him.

 

Nelson reminds me of:

Mateen Cleaves
Khalid El Amin
Rumeal Robinson

Short Stocky PG's....with no NBA game...

 

I have to admit that when I first heard of the pick I was in shock. My first feelings were that we picked him up way too soon and could have chosen a more talented player with #8 like Nelson or Igoudala or traded down a few spots at least to choose him.

Then when I started to think of the bigger picture it all made sense. Babcock stated with that pick that he is committed to the developement of our future superstar in the making Chris Bosh. The Raps relied too heavily on Bosh being their centre and he was regularly outweighed by 20-30 pounds each opponent he played <font size="1">(mind you they always played man on man as well). </font><font size="2">If Aruajo can step in and play right away this would be a major advantage for the Raptors and Bosh. </font>

Starting Lineup?:

PG- Alvin Williams or free agent
SG- Vince Carter
SF- Jalen Rose/Donyell Marshall
PF- Chris Bosh
C- Rafael Aruajo

I can see this lineup going to the playoffs. The Raptors have a ton of free cap space as well to make a run at signing a reliable player. Remember they only have 7 people under contract right now.

I might have not agreed with the selection but I see where Babcock is coming from. He has a future stud in Chris Bosh who has been playing the 5 since he stepped into the league. He saw a player who can fill the void at centre and move Bosh to the 4 and he went for him.

BTW...Why couldn't we grab Jameer Nelson from Denver?? Why did Duhon get selected by Chicago right before the Raptors? I thought the Raptors could have made a move to bring one of these players in.

 

The Raptors drafted Rafael Araujo so i guess this will be our lineup for next year:

C-Rafael (Baby) Araujo
PF-Chris Bosh
SF-Jalen Rose
SG-Vince Carter
PG- FA Signing.. Hopefully Nash or Hudson

Bench
Donyell Marshall (6th man)
Alvin Williams
Lamond Murray
Morris Peterson
Jerome Moiso
Mason Jr.
FA Centre

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DerfZ:</div><div class="quote_post">The Raptors drafted Rafael Araujo so i guess this will be our lineup for next year:

C-Rafael (Baby) Araujo
PF-Chris Bosh
SF-Jalen Rose
SG-Vince Carter
PG- FA Signing.. Hopefully Nash or Hudson

Bench
Donyell Marshall (6th man)
Alvin Williams
Lamond Murray
Morris Peterson
Jerome Moiso
Mason Jr.
FA Centre</div>

We don't even have enough for Nash, he probably wants more than what we even have to spend. Also, Jerome, Morris, and Mason Jr. are FAs, they could be gone.

Also, other news is that were not getting Hudson, he is expected to re-sign with Minnesota, or Utah and Houston are top contenders for him.

 

I think that Araujo will help this team alot. I was skeptical about the pick when it happened, but after really thinking about it, they were not able to trade down, and take Nelson and Araujo, so their most glaring weakness is a Center, and this guy looks like a banger who can take up space, and more importantly free up space for Carter and Bosh...Hopefully he's not like Mengke Bateer....

 

oh trust me.. he's not going to be like mengke bateer. He will still need to work on his rusty yet rugged defense, but he is very good at boxing out for a rebound creating a lot of space for himself and his teammates on offense and defense. His size is also perfect especially in the east, he might be able to utilize his body and dominate the defender at times, but he will still need to work at that.

 

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting thefranchise3:</div><div class="quote_post">We don't even have enough for Nash, he probably wants more than what we even have to spend. Also, Jerome, Morris, and Mason Jr. are FAs, they could be gone.

Also, other news is that were not getting Hudson, he is expected to re-sign with Minnesota, or Utah and Houston are top contenders for him.</div>Mason Jr. and Jerome Moiso are not FA's.

 

Maybe we can do a sign and trade with the Mavs(to get Nash), the will at least not completely loose talent. But if it cost's us VC or Bosh then its out of the question... Picks, Jalen, Peterson maybe? Why would Hudson want to go to Utah?

Does Aroujo for Olowakandi make any sense?

 

i would pursue this offseason, brian skinner (if he opts out), troy hudson (mid level exception), chris witney (sp), brevin knight, kenny anderson, rod strikland or avery johnson.

 

I was just looking at the list of free agents this summer and it would be great to have Rafer Alston back in T.O.

I would not be hesistant at starting him over anyone we have and he would be very affordable depending on what Miami offers him.

 

Skinner is more of a PF than Center, watching Milwaukee, he's not the center type but can play center, I like him though, he's go speed so he can run the floor, he's athletic and he can do things we need, rebounds, block shots, bring some toughness but maybe not enough for the 5 spot, and he can score too.


I wouldn't mind Hudson but I'd rather have a pass first PG, but how many starting caliber pass first PG's are on the market?

<u>PG</u>
Hudson
Damon Jones
Brevin Knight, except he's high mainatainance, and is a whiner, pretty good player but also a defense liability.
Shammond Williams is still there, but I don't really like how he plays at times.
I don't think Avery Johnson would play but he would be a great assistant and PG coach if we can get someone like Keyon Dooling on the bench he can mentor him.
What about Anthony Johnson from Indy?
Their's not really that many good PG's on the market, I mean they're decent but nothing special.


<u>Centers or F-C's</u>
You know who I'd really like, Antonio McDyess, for the minutes he played he did great on the baords and defensively, and we all know he's still capable of scoring, but he won't come cheap even with the injuries he's still good so never mind.

Brian Skinner
Tractor Traylor, still think he's a decent backup
Greg Ostertag is a cheap guy thats a big body, but too slow, and he wants to go to Dallas for basically any amount.
Jason Collier is still a possibility, and if anyone wants Keon Clark back.
We should also get Steven Hunter, he's worth nothing.


I know some of us here don't like Frahm, but I still think he would be a good pickup, and Barnes would also be good.

Why couldn't Dan Gadzuric be a FA this year instead of next.

 

^Rafer Alston?? He seems to be the only pass first point guard not on your list.

 

yeah i forgot robert traylor, good pickup for the right price.

and courtvision, do u trust alston decision making over an extended period of time? where he will get tired and have a proclivity to revert back to bad habits.

 

I don't know, I watched Miami and Rafer wasn't neccesarily pass first, he came in and took a lot of shots, and didn't display the same playmaking abilities he did when he was here in TO. His defense is also not that good, but not bad, gambles too much at times, and he's not a consistent scoring option, but he'll give you that one three every game. If he can play like how he did here 2 years ago then I would be very happy.
Even his assists numbers weren't that high and he forced a lot of three's, even though his eff FG% isn't that bad because more than half his shots were three's and he shot a pretty good percentage from outside, but driving forces the defense to collapse which gives open shots.
Rafer would be a good addition, he's playing harball with the Heat though, and he's said he wouldn't mind rejoining the Bucks who first signed him.

The Bucks also don't seem to be going after Damon Jones anymore so he would be a good fit, but like Rafer isn't much on defense (Rafer isn't bad though), and Jones can pass but more on the fastbreak and outside, he isn't a penetrating PG which is something I think we need (not the Milt type of penetrating PG though, one that can also shoot)


Also we should definately get Robery Traylor is he comes cheap which he should.
The Bucks also feel theyll lose Brevin and Skinner