<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 18 2007, 01:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The odds are too much. Like I said Chicago, Cleveland, Miami, Detroit, and Washington are better teams IMO.</div>The Celtics would actually matchup fairley well with Cleveland and Washington. I'm not so sure the Celtics couldn't get passed them.
LeBron would be too much for Boston. Especially with the defensive front court the Celtics have.The best change they would have is Washington, but I think the trio of Gilbert - Caron - Jamison is just better than Boston's trio. Not saying anyone of these guys is better than Pierce or Allen, but as a whole they are.
As far as the Washington-Boston comparison, I would give the edge to Boston.Pierce/Allen/Jefferson lastseason - 68 points, 21 rebounds, 8 assistsArenas/Butler/Jamison lastseason - 67 points, 19 rebounds, 10 assists.So, even with the Wizards having a PG in their trio, the Celtics were able to come close in assists, while beating them in the other two major categories. Defensivly, Washington was one of the worst teams in the NBA. Yes, Boston wasn't great, but they gave up 5 less points a game, even with their star player, and one of their better defenders, Paul Pierce missing a large sum of games.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 18 2007, 01:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as the Washington-Boston comparison, I would give the edge to Boston.Pierce/Allen/Jefferson lastseason - 68 points, 21 rebounds, 8 assistsArenas/Butler/Jamison lastseason - 67 points, 19 rebounds, 10 assists.So, even with the Wizards having a PG in their trio, the Celtics were able to come close in assists, while beating them in the other two major categories. Defensivly, Washington was one of the worst teams in the NBA. Yes, Boston wasn't great, but they gave up 5 less points a game, even with their star player, and one of their better defenders, Paul Pierce missing a large sum of games.</div>That's no way to compare them as more than likely all 3 of the players in the Boston trio's production will dip a bit.I WOULD take Boston's trio over Washington's, however. All 3 of Washington's stars are sort of combo players that really don't fit any sort of description. Boston, on the other hand, has the best shooter in the league who can also help in some other areas, a versatile SF, and a fantastic post player.
You can't call Jefferson a fantastic post player. That's where he is overrated.You also have to look at the defensive side of the balls. Arenas and Butler are both solid defenders... Jamison is alright. Pierce's defense.. if there is any is overrated. Ray is an average defender, his defense will get overrated because of his star status. Jefferson a decent shot blocker down low.And they beat them by 1 point and 2 rebounds^ WOW.. Not to mention that's Ray Allen as a number one option.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 18 2007, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't call Jefferson a fantastic post player. That's where he is overrated.You also have to look at the defensive side of the balls. Arenas and Butler are both solid defenders... Jamison is alright. Pierce's defense.. if there is any is overrated. Ray is an average defender, his defense will get overrated because of his star status. Jefferson a decent shot blocker down low.And they beat them by 1 point and 2 rebounds^ WOW.. Not to mention that's Ray Allen as a number one option.</div>He IS a fantastic post player. Still inconsistent, but after the all star break last year averaged 22/11 on 55% shooting. He has great post moves, and in a conference with little in terms of great big man, he is even more valuable.Allen and Arenas are about equal defenders, Butler is a bit better defender than Pierce, and Jefferson is a much better defender than Jasmison.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 18 2007, 02:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As far as the Washington-Boston comparison, I would give the edge to Boston.Pierce/Allen/Jefferson lastseason - 68 points, 21 rebounds, 8 assistsArenas/Butler/Jamison lastseason - 67 points, 19 rebounds, 10 assists.So, even with the Wizards having a PG in their trio, the Celtics were able to come close in assists, while beating them in the other two major categories. Defensivly, Washington was one of the worst teams in the NBA. Yes, Boston wasn't great, but they gave up 5 less points a game, even with their star player, and one of their better defenders, Paul Pierce missing a large sum of games.</div>I hope you do realize that you can't compare the big three's with each other until Boston's trio has played a season together. As Nitro said, Pierce, Allen, and Jefferson's production will drop a good deal with Ray Allen coming in.Also, don't expect Boston's scoring production to come close to the Wizards big three's scoring production as our offense heavily revolves around them. Boston may potentially have a better trio in general but it won't score like Washington's.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GArenas @ Jul 18 2007, 03:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, don't expect Boston's scoring production to come close to the Wizards big three's scoring production as our offense heavily revolves around them. Boston may potentially have a better trio in general but it won't score like Washington's.</div>And Boston won't rely heavily on Allen, Pierce and Jefferson? After those 3, the Celtics don't have any other reliable scorers.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 18 2007, 04:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Boston won't rely heavily on Allen, Pierce and Jefferson? After those 3, the Celtics don't have any other reliable scorers.</div>No reliable scorers, might as well say no reliable players.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 17 2007, 11:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lottery team or be lucky to get past the 2nd round of the playoffs.Boston won't beat Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland, Miami or Washington in a 7 game series. Tough break Ray Allen.</div>you're just hating on the celtics. are you actually saying that he would rather be on a lottery team than a playoff team? give me a break.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 18 2007, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No reliable scorers, might as well say no reliable players.</div>are you kidding me? Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Tony Allen are all reliable players. Just because they're young and don't score a lot doesn't mean they can't contribute.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 18 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't call Jefferson a fantastic post player. That's where he is overrated.</div>:HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA: :HAHAHA:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (time takes time @ Jul 18 2007, 05:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>you're just hating on the celtics. are you actually saying that he would rather be on a lottery team than a playoff team? give me a break.</div>You obviously haven't read anything else I've posted in here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (time takes time @ Jul 18 2007, 05:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>are you kidding me? Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins, Ryan Gomes, Gerald Green, Tony Allen are all reliable players. Just because they're young and don't score a lot doesn't mean they can't contribute.</div>Another reason they won't win anything, Rondao at PG on this team HA
you have no room to talk, you dug a deep hole when you said Al Jefferson wasn't a good post player. He can score on just about anyone in the league down in the paint. He shoots a very high percentage, too. You also are just blurting out opinions, like Pierce being a terrible defender. He's not terrible by any means, I'd say he is decent.and who was the lakers pg last year and the year before? smush parker? do you think he's exactly a reliable option? of course not, but the lakers still made the playoffs both years in the west.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Lefty @ Jul 18 2007, 04:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You can't call Jefferson a fantastic post player. That's where he is overrated.You also have to look at the defensive side of the balls. Arenas and Butler are both solid defenders... Jamison is alright. Pierce's defense.. if there is any is overrated. Ray is an average defender, his defense will get overrated because of his star status. Jefferson a decent shot blocker down low.And they beat them by 1 point and 2 rebounds^ WOW.. Not to mention that's Ray Allen as a number one option.</div>Oh my god hahahahahahahahYou have no idea, do you? Jefferson is one of the best low post player in the game. Who can stop him 1 on 1? That list is pretty slim.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GrizzFanTaylor @ Jul 18 2007, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Boston won't rely heavily on Allen, Pierce and Jefferson? After those 3, the Celtics don't have any other reliable scorers.</div>Of course the Celtics will rely on Allen, Pierce, and Jefferson. However, they won't beat the Wizards big three in scoring. This big three is going into their third year as a unit, they can compliment each other and mesh together on and off the court very well. Washington also runs a faster offense than Boston does, we put more points on the table which gives our big three more oppurtunities to score.The Celtics production with two seperate franchise players was hardly higher than the Wizards big three. When you put this squad together, the production of all three guys will dip a good deal. I'm willing to make one of those sig bets with anyone that the Wizards big three will out-score Boston's. Not neccesarily be more effecient or even as talented but definetely score the basketball more often.
