Reasons we lost, what we could of done to get the job done and the future

You nailed it Mess, but that's what we are going to do in here. It's okay, like I said it is easier to focus on the questionable calls then to say wow we F'd up as a team.

Again, we forget we still had the lead after the game 2 call. We still had multiple PP's in OT. We still had multiple chances in OT. We have no clue if we win the game even if the call wasn't made (there seems to be this feeling of seeing the future that we win the game for sure if the questioable call never happens).

In game 5 we still had many chances to win. Hit a few posts. Had multiple PP's in OT. Played 2 full periods without scoring a goal after the questionable call. But the call is what cost us the game I guess.

We had more PP's than them in every game outside of game 1. We certainly got our fair share of calls. Maybe the difference was when the Kings got a call in their favor, they actually scored. When we got a call in our favor we didn't score. We were a terrible 2-22 on the PP in the Kings series. You want to know why we lost in 5 games, how about we point at that. 7:30 of PP time combined in the OT's in games 2 & 5. Let's look at the PP fellas. How about we score one in either OT and we are playing tomorrow night.

I happen to think the PP was pretty awful in the playoffs. You mention the 0-40 as the reason why Sleeps, well I go the other way. Outside of game 1 Philly, and two games against Pitt I think the PP was terrible and killed us. Again 2-22 against the Kings. If we score a PP goal in OT games 2 and/or 5 we have a way different series. So that is where my focus is, not on two questionable calls that still left us in the lead in game 2, and with many chances and a LONG time to play in games 2 & 5. And neither time did the questionable call put us behind in the game.

It's all good though, people have their own opinions and views on things, that is what makes this country great I think. People disagree, and that's what gets good healthy debate going, so I like that. No issues there.

 

Mess, why is it a loser mentality to stat the facts. LA won. I'm ok with that. They are a good team. But the 2 calls I mentioned were so blatantly bad, you can't think any thing other than the fix was in. If you or anyone else don't think that games and/or series are not sometimes fixed, you are very nieve Now I don't have proof that this was the case but when even the Broadcast team is screaming about how bad the calls are, you have to start thinking somethings up. LA may very well have won anyway. Im not denying that.

Do you really think 60 and 70 year old men referee for the love of the game. Maybe some do. But there are others that are on the take from the bookies. I know, you think Im crazy about this point. And quite frankly, until 1994 football season, I would have thought I was crazy too. But I had a personal experience with a Book where I put a bet in on a Sunday night game and the tix taker told me do it the other way. When I asked why, he said call him at home the next day. The next day, he told me his Uncle had delivered $500,000 cash in a briefcase to the refs locker room before the game. At the end of the 3rd quarter, I was losing by 23 1/2 points. Detroit scored 24 unanswered points on Minnie and I won by 1/2 a point. There were some terrible calls that helped me in the 4th It was the last game I ever gambled on.

Now I must admit that I didn't think about it until someone one this board pointed out that the refs were changing every game. And why not have the same refs so players know what they can and cant get away with. Maybe it was because the NHL wanted some games to be close and some games to always have a bad call in their back pocket to change the game if needed. Im not saying every game is done like this. And sometimes the team the Books need to get their money back are going to win anyway so the refs don't have to influence the game with a blatantly bad call. But it's there if needed.

So congrats to LA. I wont say they deserved it against us. But they won so congrats. In the 1st year of AV, we had an unbelievable season. And we have great things to look forward to in the next 2 to 4 years. We had a fantastic season that I don't think any of us thought would happen this quickly with AV. So Kudos to the Rangers also.

Edited because telling another poster not to post his or her opinion goes against what a message board really is. You can disagree with ones opinion without putting the poster down. Also it has nothing to do with the title of the thread. Your post was directed to Chuck. truebluefan

 

Papa, I think you should settle down a bit. It is a message board. I know Dis and I are idiots, but there is no reason for that kind of attitude. It is okay if we don't all agree, I actually think it is better. If we had a board where we all agreed it would be pretty boring. I welcome all points of view and respect all points of view. If you notice everytime you call me, or any posters, names I do not come back at you calling you names, not sure I see the point in that. I don't have to act childish and call someone names on a message board because I disagree with them. It's all good buddy. I respect your POV 100%.

I just won't blame two calls for our loss. And I won't think we win for sure if not for those two calls. And I also realize that our PP was awful in the series. And we still had the lead after one call, and were tied after the other call, and in both cases there was a LOT of hockey left to play for us to score and win, so clearly we still could have gotten it done if we handled our business. Agree to disgaree there.

Where we agree 100% is kudos to us. We had a great season. AV did a great job. The next 3 years or so do look bright, and I do believe we are on an upswing. We are maybe a year ahead of the AV curve, so that is awesome and looks good moving forward. I am very proud of this team, as all Ranger fans should be. We agree 100% there for sure papa. Great point by you on that one. Kudos to the team for sure.

 

Wow papa bringing in oliver stone to the nhl....sorry I am nieve to think that the nhl wants one team over another and that they place certain refs in position to be patsies. I may complain about a blown call and that leading to a huge swing in a game, but I do not believe for one moment a zebra wants to have a entire city wanting him dead.

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Look it up Al. It was the Lions vs Vikings in 1994. A Sunday night game. Even happened in the NBA a few years ago. You and I would never know. Its done very hush hush. And its not done very often. But in the case I gave you, the Books had gotten crushed that weekend and had to make their money. $500,000 is nothing to them but its plenty to change the outcome of a game with a few bad calls. So why not hockey too.

 

Sorry to disagree Sleeps but to say Miller has no place after only 56 games seems like a very small sample to base your decision. Miller's only 21 and as a 1st rounder deserves the Pouliot treatment from AV: give him a full season to make mistakes he hopefully learns from without having to worry about the threat of a healthy scratch and after a year AV should have a better idea of what he has. As far as size goes only Boyle, Kreider, Pouliot and Nash are bigger than Miller and they're all done growing.

 

Their is no way I will say that the referees had a good series, but it's been that way since the beginning of competitive sports. The Rangers had there opportunities (way to many), and couldn't take advantage of them. That's why the season is over. They had a real good season, longer than any of us could have imagined, now we look forward to next year when they will get the players to possibly win it all.

 

im not saying miller isn't good, hes a good kid no bad works hard,k good ethic, im saying on this team right now he doesn't have a spot.... who would you rather have him take a spot of, the new center we get? brassard who centers our best line? stepan?? only way i can see him is if we trade stepan then i say yes bring him up. why waste talent and keep him in the farm doing nothing, we can trade him get a good center, if its spezzas, thorton whoever, why not???????? you got to trade good players to get good players, if its stepan that people want to get a center do it too but miller is more appealing to teams, we can always draft that type of player jt miller isn't one of a kind hes a third line center on a team. it is what it is, if you think he is a top 6 foward your not looking deep enough, hes not going to be better then krieder hes not going to be better then brassard.

 

You might have a hard time convincing hank,zucc, the announcers and ranger fans on that one. We are not talking about the entire playoffs here. Just 2 pivotal calls in a 5 game series both that were beyond explanation and both had a direct impact on 2 of the 5 games. The refs in this series sucked. The kings had a good enough team to win without the extra help they got

 

Yeah, but we got our fair share of calls also. That is what gets missed in here. The call in Nash's favor in OT in game 2 was comical. The difference is the Kings cashed in their big chances. We did not and went 2-22 on the PP.

And on top of that NEITHER call gave the Kings the lead. One tied the game, the other we still had the lead after they scored. So in both cases we had TONS of time and chances to makeup for a potential bad call.

And if we cashed in when we got calls in our favor, and weren't 2-22 on the PP, things would have been way different.

You want to focus on something, focus on us not cashing in our chances like the Kings did, and us going 2-22 on the PP. That is where my focus is.

 

I surrender. I agree with you two now. After further analysis the refs were great and the rangers should have just scored more. Don't know what the hell I was thinking or looking at. Ha ha ha.

 

Thank you for realizing the error of your ways mel....

 

i mean yeah we didn't capitlize on our chances, definitely with the # of PPs we had we wouldn't be in that situation if we had a better PP, i was just stating our PP was light years better then last years, it looked decent at times. I think it was one of those things is richards is on his game the PP would be good (since he is the qb on the PP) and if he was having a shit game our PP would be shit, its one of the things that MSL helped, krieder helped, we also didn't have krieder for part of that drought, Krieder is the key to the PP with his body in front. He is good. real good there. Now that richards is gone, krider full season, av has training camp bring in some players see what he can do. It should get better from here guys.