<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 28 2006, 10:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I hate how people always think if your young you have no knowledge. I have more knowledge than you and you dont even know fully what your saying cuz you havent watched Morrison. i guess you one of those older people showing stupidity like i said before.</div>No some young people have knowledge. And you might know more about college, but that's all. And that is because I have not watched college ball at all until last season. And I still can see that there is no possible way JJ can be better on D then Morrison.I have no idea how you were made MVP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jun 28 2006, 07:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No some young people have knowledge. And you might know more about college, but that's all. And that is because I have not watched college ball at all until last season. And I still can see that there is no possible way JJ can be better on D then Morrison.I have no idea how you were made MVP.</div>WTF does me being made MVP mean??? BTW I didnt start watching college until this season so I have no advantage over you. I watched a lto fo it this season but havent watched it until this season. The point im making is you are assuming things. You havent watched Morrison play so you have no idea what hes like on D. I have watched him and from what ive seen he worse than JJ. BTW I also know a lot about the NBA. The one thign i dont know a lot about is history because I havent been interested in learning it long.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 28 2006, 10:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>WTF does me being made MVP mean??? BTW I didnt start watching college until this season so I have no advantage over you. I watched a lto fo it this season but havent watched it until this season. The point im making is you are assuming things. You havent watched Morrison play so you have no idea what hes like on D. I have watched him and from what ive seen he worse than JJ. BTW I also know a lot about the NBA. The one thign i dont know a lot about is history because I havent been interested in learning it long.</div>Because if you are MVP it probably mean you don't post stupid stuff. And I only watched a few college games not like I watched the whole season, or even half of it so you still have a advantage on me knowing about college players. I still think JJ is worse on D though.I am done arguing with you.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jun 28 2006, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Because if you are MVP it probably mean you don't post stupid stuff. And I only watched a few college games not like I watched the whole season, or even half of it so you still have a advantage on me knowing about college players. I still think JJ is worse on D though.I am done arguing with you.</div>LOL I dont post stupid stuff. Im not the biased AI fan who said he shouldve been MVP in 04/05 just based on numbers...
Morrison has the better body for the NBA. He is tall, lengthy and tough. Redick is tough for his size but his size is his downfall. Morrison is better hands down.
JJ, and I'm a UNC fan.To say that Redick cant create his own shot is an absolutely RIDICULOUS statement. This guy was double and triple teamed by the best teams in the country with some of the best defensive players in the country, and he still shot the lights out. He creates for himself and has such incredible range that he makes his teammates better without even being a great passer. Morrison is the worse defender too, to all you people who said that hes better on D than JJ. At least JJ gives effort on D, Morrison looks like a big ugly stiff on D, constantly losing his man off screens and getting beat off the dribble. JJ has more lateral quickness by such a large margin its unbelieveable. The reason Morrison can get his shot off is cause hes playing against just as unathletic competition in the WCC, and because he's basically a 6'8" guard in a conference where most guards and SF's are under 6'4". In conclusion, [begin sarcasm] as impressive as it is for Morrison to beat up on St. Marys and University of Portland, [end sarcasm] Redick put up as good of numbers in the best conference in the country and on a team with 6 other legit scoring options, while Morrison has the slowest man in the country, Batista, and Raivio, who had a bad year. J.J. is the better player, plus he doesnt cry like a woman before the game is even over. Morrison, you aren't even a senior and your crying on the court when theres still a chance, grow up man, what kind of leadership is that, the only real player on your team and you start bawling like a baby with 5 seconds left in an important game. Come on kid, get it together.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmBitIoNz23 @ Jun 28 2006, 09:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JJ, and I'm a UNC fan.To say that Redick cant create his own shot is an absolutely RIDICULOUS statement. This guy was double and triple teamed by the best teams in the country with some of the best defensive players in the country, and he still shot the lights out. He creates for himself and has such incredible range that he makes his teammates better without even being a great passer. Morrison is the worse defender too, to all you people who said that hes better on D than JJ. At least JJ gives effort on D, Morrison looks like a big ugly stiff on D, constantly losing his man off screens and getting beat off the dribble. JJ has more lateral quickness by such a large margin its unbelieveable. The reason Morrison can get his shot off is cause hes playing against just as unathletic competition in the WCC, and because he's basically a 6'8" guard in a conference where most guards and SF's are under 6'4". In conclusion, [begin sarcasm] as impressive as it is for Morrison to beat up on St. Marys and University of Portland, [end sarcasm] Redick put up as good of numbers in the best conference in the country and on a team with 6 other legit scoring options, while Morrison has the slowest man in the country, Batista, and Raivio, who had a bad year. J.J. is the better player, plus he doesnt cry like a woman before the game is even over. Morrison, you aren't even a senior and your crying on the court when theres still a chance, grow up man, what kind of leadership is that, the only real player on your team and you start bawling like a baby with 5 seconds left in an important game. Come on kid, get it together.</div>I love how people always use this statement. I fully disagree. look at games where Adam played real competition.Gonzaga vs. Maryland- 25 points and 9 boardsGonzaga vs. Mich St.- 43 points and 7 boardsGonzaga vs. Washington- 43 points and 5 boardsGonzaga vs. Memphis- 34 points and 5 boardsGonzaga vs. UCLA- 24 points and 5 boardssee he came up big in big games
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 28 2006, 09:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I love how people always use this statement. I fully disagree. look at games where Adam played real competition.Gonzaga vs. Maryland- 25 points and 9 boardsGonzaga vs. Mich St.- 43 points and 7 boardsGonzaga vs. Washington- 43 points and 5 boardsGonzaga vs. Memphis- 34 points and 5 boardsGonzaga vs. UCLA- 24 points and 5 boardssee he came up big in big games</div>I'll give you Wahsington and Memphis, but Mich. St went into TRIPLE OVERTIME. Maryland and UCLA based on Morrisons averages are either average or slightly below average.\Look @ Redick against some good competition.Texas: 41 Points, 4 Rebounds, 9/16 from 3Wake Forest: 32 Points, 3 AssistsGeorgetown: 41 Points, 4 Assists, 6/11 from 3Virginia: 40 Points, 8/10 on 3And lets not forget his run of 5 straight 30+ point games against the following teams in order:Florida StateNorth CarolinaMarylandWake ForestMiamiNot to mention several other solid performances against top tier teams on a regular basis, Morrison might have had those couple games against top teams, but Redick had a SEASON against them, and still put up just as good of numbers as Morrison.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AmBitIoNz23 @ Jun 29 2006, 12:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JJ, and I'm a UNC fan.To say that Redick cant create his own shot is an absolutely RIDICULOUS statement. This guy was double and triple teamed by the best teams in the country with some of the best defensive players in the country, and he still shot the lights out. He creates for himself and has such incredible range that he makes his teammates better without even being a great passer. together.</div>To say that Redick can create his own shot with the ball in his hands at an NBA level is the rediculous statement. Most of the time when he tried to drive, the ball looked out of control in his hand, and he hung the ball out a bit to far while driving. He didn't have any good moves or steps when he tried to create for himself, and that doesn't do well for someone that doesn't have a good first step. Unlike Morrison who doesn't have a good first step, but he had a pretty decent spin move for a big guy, he was good at changing speeds when he had the ball, and is much better at it than Redick was. I watched alot of Redick last year, and he was not double and triple teamed half as much as the announcers tried to say he was. That was just the announcers trying to be all over Redick like they always are.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 29 2006, 05:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>To say that Redick can create his own shot with the ball in his hands at an NBA level is the rediculous statement. Most of the time when he tried to drive, the ball looked out of control in his hand, and he hung the ball out a bit to far while driving. He didn't have any good moves or steps when he tried to create for himself, and that doesn't do well for someone that doesn't have a good first step. Unlike Morrison who doesn't have a good first step, but he had a pretty decent spin move for a big guy, he was good at changing speeds when he had the ball, and is much better at it than Redick was. I watched alot of Redick last year, and he was not double and triple teamed half as much as the announcers tried to say he was. That was just the announcers trying to be all over Redick like they always are.</div>Morrison only has one speed. Slow. When I say that Redick can create his own shot better, I'm not trying to say he's an Allen Iverson type isolation player, I'm saying hes better at utilizing screens and has a great up fake, probably the best in College Basketball. Sure Redick wont cross you over, but he'll find a way to get himself open, and when he does, he makes shots. Think Reggie Miller, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say he was a hell of a player, and he was probably on the same plane athletically as Redick, so I think J.J. is gonna be just fine.
What i'm saying, is that Miller didn't creat his own shot with the ball either. He moved around with the ball, got it off of a screen away from ball, maybe put up a slight headfake and then made his shots. Very little did he actually get the ball, and dribble to get open on his own. JJ Redick will have to do the same thing, move without the ball, run his man off of screens while he doesn't have the ball, find open spaces to shoot. He is not going to be able to get the ball and create his own shot off the dribble even half as well as Morrison will be able to. That is what my whole thing i have been saying is, when they have the ball in their hands, Morrison can create his own shot better. Redick is going to have to get his open shots by moving without the ball.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 29 2006, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What i'm saying, is that Miller didn't creat his own shot with the ball either. He moved around with the ball, got it off of a screen away from ball, maybe put up a slight headfake and then made his shots. Very little did he actually get the ball, and dribble to get open on his own. JJ Redick will have to do the same thing, move without the ball, run his man off of screens while he doesn't have the ball, find open spaces to shoot. He is not going to be able to get the ball and create his own shot off the dribble even half as well as Morrison will be able to. That is what my whole thing i have been saying is, when they have the ball in their hands, Morrison can create his own shot better. Redick is going to have to get his open shots by moving without the ball.</div>That's basically exactly what I said. Running of screens and working your man to get open is just as much creating a shot for yourself as crossing someone over to do it. Either way you've allowed yourself to get open and take an open shot, which Redick is better at. Not taking away from Morrison, he was a great college player, but I just dont see where his game translates to the NBA. If you watch Gonzaga play, which I do a lot, living in the Northwest, most of Morrison's shots are contested. Oh, and that little runner he does from just inside the free-throw line. Although he can score like this in college against smaller players in the WCC, do you think he's going to be able to do that against the likes of Andre Iguodala, Ron Artest, and some of the best, most athletic, perimeter defenders in the league. I dont, but thats just my opinion.
If you go back and read on page two, you kind of said what i had already said, other than you said the Redick is better at creating his own shot period. So i had to say, that while he may be better at creating his own shot without the ball, Morrison is much better at creating his shot off the dribble and with the ball in his hands. Not only that, it is easier to shut down Redick and force him into an off night becaue he can't create with the ball in his hands, than it is to shut down Morrison and cause him to have an off night. This is because, a player that can create off the dribble better, generally has more to fall back on than a player that has to move around without the ball to get open.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (valo35 @ Jun 29 2006, 10:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If you go back and read on page two, you kind of said what i had already said, other than you said the Redick is better at creating his own shot period. So i had to say, that while he may be better at creating his own shot without the ball, Morrison is much better at creating his shot off the dribble and with the ball in his hands. Not only that, it is easier to shut down Redick and force him into an off night becaue he can't create with the ball in his hands, than it is to shut down Morrison and cause him to have an off night. This is because, a player that can create off the dribble better, generally has more to fall back on than a player that has to move around without the ball to get open.</div>Thats a good point, but at the same time, if you shut down someone who can only create with the ball in their hands, that effects the entire team in a negative way, because then you have a player dominating the ball and having a bad shooting game at the same time. But if you shut down say a Richard Hamilton, or someone else like Redick who moves without the ball so well, it opens things up for the rest of the team in a more positive way because thats one defender who isnt going to be able to play weakside defense and help out on cutters and people driving to the hoop. Maybe I'm overthinking this though. :happy0144:
Morrison, because he's bigger, more intense (although really that could go either way), and you can teach a tall guy how to play some defense. A guy with average size like JJ needs more instinct and natural shutdown ability. And on the perimeter Morrison's going to have an easier time getting the contested shot off just because he has four inches on JJ.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 28 2006, 10:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>LOL I dont post stupid stuff. Im not the biased AI fan who said he shouldve been MVP in 04/05 just based on numbers...</div>I am the biggest AI fan out there probably, but no I am not biased. This past season the Sixers did not make the playoffs, and there were to many other players who had great seasons who did make the playoffs. But in 04/05 he should have been the MVP. Not just by #'s I went to games, and seen most of the ones I did not go to. You take AI from the Sixers in 04-05 that team be worse then the Knicks record this past season. Take away Shaq from Miami in 04-05 they would have made the playoffs. Take away Dirk from Dallas they still would have made the playoffs in 04-05. Take away Nash from the Suns they also most likely make the playoffs as a low seat. Bottom line I went to games AI should have gotten MVP in 04-05.Sorry for getting of topic guys.And nothing changed I still think Morrison is better then JJ. lol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Serge @ Jun 30 2006, 07:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I am the biggest AI fan out there probably, but no I am not biased. This past season the Sixers did not make the playoffs, and there were to many other players who had great seasons who did make the playoffs. But in 04/05 he should have been the MVP. Not just by #'s I went to games, and seen most of the ones I did not go to. You take AI from the Sixers in 04-05 that team be worse then the Knics record this past season. Take away Shaq from Miami in 04-05 they would have made the playoffs. Take away Dirk from Dallas they still would have made the playoffs in 04-05. Take away Nash from the Suns they also most likely make the playoffs as a low seat. Bottom line I went to games AI should have gotten MVP in 04-05.Sorry for getting of topic guys.And nothing changed I still think Morrison is better then JJ. lol</div>Ok w/e im done arguing but one thing. To say your the biggest AI fan out there is funny. You have to be crazy to think your the biggest. Im not saying your not a big AI fan but to say the biggest is funny. If you were the biggest im pretty sure your name would atleast have AI in it somewhere. There is incredibly huge AI fans out there that are overly obsessed w/ the guy. I hope you weren't really being serious. I dont want to get anymore off topic though so im stopping here.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iversonfan268 @ Jun 30 2006, 10:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok w/e im done arguing but one thing. To say your the biggest AI fan out there is funny. You have to be crazy to think your the biggest. Im not saying your not a big AI fan but to say the biggest is funny. If you were the biggest im pretty sure your name would atleast have AI in it somewhere. There is incredibly huge AI fans out there that are overly obsessed w/ the guy. I hope you weren't really being serious. I dont want to get anymore off topic though so im stopping here.</div>I don't know about the biggest, because I don't know all AI fans of course. lol And I have my name at the top thing. So just because I don't have AI at the top does not mean I am not at top the AI fans out there. And let's just say that if AI is really traded like it looks. If his team went to the finals I would fly out there, and buy tickets to see AI win a title hopfully. And I would fly out to a lot of games if I had the money to do that.Yea this is my last post in here of topic if you want you can PM me.
Here's my chance. Finally.Morrison. Morrison. Morrison.Height advantage on perimeter defenders guarding him, more versatile offensively, better inside game, better at driving, does more on offense and can score more, and is more suited to the NBA game, because Redick won't get the same shots in the NBA. It's my guess that Morrison will wiin the Rook scoring title.Everyone read these couple of lines: The only thing that Redick is good at is scoring and shooting. Morrison leads Redick in ppg, and is better suited to score in the NBA well Morrison had a higher 3 point percentage than Redick. You could say that Morrison dethrones Redick at the only things he is good at. I guess that Redick hits more 3 pointers, but you get the point. I guess that Redick is good with and without the ball, but that fits the same bill as shooting IMO.
