May your Laker-related life be long and unhappy. Simultaneously, may your non-Laker life be long and happy. Gramps...
Hmmm, there is nothing that says it is ok to have a slave. I guess by the same logic, the same commandment also endorses people having anything they so desire. It is just not ok for other people to covet it. Rejected. Does not endorse slavery. Likewise the corollary that slaves can't work on the sabbath does not qualify as endorsing slavery. Of course, I'm sure your posts are tongue-in-cheek. Gramps...
The old testament has many passages that mention slavery as legit. Why would't the 10 commandments apply? Or better yet, why wouldn't they have one that forbids slavery. Exodus 21:20-21 "And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property]." Exodus 21:26-27 "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake. And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake." Exodus 21:1-4: "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself." Deuteronomy 15:12-18: "And if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee.And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: of that wherewith the LORD thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him."
Exodus 21:7: "And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do." Leviticus 25:44-46: "Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly."
I am not disputing that there are many examples of slavery in the Old Testament, I was only disputing the fact that two of the ten commandments endorsed slavery. Of course, Christ gave the two great commandments: Love the Lord the God with all thy heart, mind and strength and the second is like unto it, love thy neighbor as thyself. If the second were followed properly, we should expect no slavery. Gramps...
I mentioned the ten commandments because it's considered a cornerstone, and I said effectively endorses slavery by which I meant mentions it multiple times without any indication that it is immoral. Beyond that the OT unequivocally endorses slavery in multiple other places. Also if you have a legit point to make why don't just go ahead and fucking make it. Your posts that are nothing more than personal pot shots are getting old.
Or you can just admit you made a mistake... Who gives a shit about being said in other parts of the bible. You made a claim and was wrong. Sorry it's getting old. If you'd stop speaking from your hip and more from "what you know"; maybe you wouldn't get those pot shots
yes, Jesus was at times an insightful secular moral philosopher. it's intellectually dishonest to focus on "love the neighbor" and ignore god commanding slavery murder & genocide in the OT and then claim that modern morality is based on Christian values. Obviously when you pick and choose like that you are parsing what you read in the bible using a separate secular standard that has nothing to do with the bible.
Or you could see it as two lives. The one by works and the other by grace. Glad we have a God that gave us an out
Yes the Old testament contains parts of the Jewish Torah, the five books of Moses it hardly represents the teachings of Christianity. It is more the History of the Hebrew people as told by Rabbis along the way. After the time of Moses, sometimes the tale is related by Rabbis of Israel, and then sometimes by Rabbis of Judah. Other than the Jewish God and the Christian God are the same God, these stories do not teach the message of Christianity. It is as close to a historical record as we have of the people the brought fore the beginnings of the Christian religion, as they are known today, the Jewish people. The real teaching of Christianity occur in the New Testament as told by the Disciples of Jesus. So of course you need to pick and choose what to accept to guide Christian behavior. Perhaps you should look into the creation of the "Bible" before you criticize it or what you perceive as the the lesson to learn. BTW there was nothing secular about Christ, his message is always the same and the larges religion in the world bares his name. Hint. The old testament was written well before the time of Christ by Israeli and Judahian Hebrew Rabbis. The new testament was written after the time of Christ mostly by the disciples of Christ Both books where originally intended for different audiences in a different time but where combined in the the Holy Bible by the Council of Nicea—the first general council of the Christian church, some 300 years after the life of Christ. In some cases many thousands of years after the oldest stories of the Hebrew people in the Old Testament.
this is just you (and others who say this) picking and choosing. it's the same god in the OT and the NT. your argument is that it's atheism that is causing a current breakdown in morality, not failure to follow the philosophical teachings of Jesus because he was a smart guy.
yes you do. and you use a separate secular standart to do it. the things he said that have been adopted as part of modern morality (golden rule etc.) are hardly original to him or to Christianity. they are secular principals adopted by religion, not the other way round.
