Politics Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee have opened an investigation of the FBI & the DOJ

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  1. crandc

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    For decades, the FBI ran an illegal, unconstitutional counterintelligence program known as COINTELPRO. COINTELPRO targeted Americans engaged in lawful dissent. It focused on disrupting and trying to damage labor unions, the civil rights movement, peace movement, Black Panthers, and environmentalists. It used rumors and what we would now call "fake news" to try to discredit Martin Luther King and Malcolm X, in order to prevent what the FBI called "the rise of a black messiah". The FBI destroyed livelihoods, and sometimes lives, of dissenters in media, academia, the arts, and ordinary jobs. They were actively engaged in the murders of Fred Hampton and Mark Clark.

    And NOW we hear the FBI is this bastion of liberalism out to destroy the god-chosen gatekeeper of American values, Donald Trump? What fucking planet am I living in?

    As Senator Claire McCaskell put it, for years the Republican Party praised law enforcement and demanded getting tougher on Russia. Now they love Russia and hate law enforcement.
     
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    I get that. I also get that the truth here will be known eventually, so I'm 100% in favor of releasing the memo. Although it will fool some people for awhile, in the end the full story will be released and people will see how deceptive the memo was.

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    I'm in favor of releasing the Democrats' spin memo, too.

    The more the better.
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    "Liberals" are so concerned about Trump administration turnover.

    How about the FBI turnover?

    Comey (for cause)
    Top FBI Lawyer (General Counsel) James Baker
    Strzok (barfo admits he's biased)
    McCabe
    FBI Chief of Staff Jim Rybicki
    Bruce Ohr demoted twice (he was associate deputy attorney general)

    (Those off the top of my head, there may be a few more)

    Draining the swamp.
     
  6. barfo

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    I don't think we are concerned about it. We are laughing at it.

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    The FBI turnover is a laughing matter, too?

    Surely you have some democratic party talking points about that.
     
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    Comey richly deserved to be fired, just not for the reason he actually was fired.
    Very unclear to me what Baker or Rybiki or Ohr did (right, wrong, or otherwise). No data.
    Strzok - clear he thought Trump was an idiot - as do most people. Not clear that he let that bias his work. Clear that he had an inappropriate workplace relationship and was stupid enough to use fbi phones for personal texts. For that I support his demotion.
    McCabe - seems like the start of an interesting story, I think we will learn more in the coming weeks.

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    Nothing in the Constitution authorizes the FBI. So it is a complete creation of Congress which has never been properly done. Some of the powers give to the FBI logically should require amendments to the Constitution.

    For instance, you can not be forced to incriminate yourself. Thus we have the 5th amendment.
    Your Spouse can not be forced to testify against you.
    The we have the FBI being able to charge you with lying to the FBI?

    This is clearly not within the intent of the protections we as a people have in the Constitution.

    The idea that the FBI must be semi separate from the Executive branch defiles sensible organization logic.
    They are or would be unaccountable to anyone this way, especially with no link to the people.

    This is just a start.


    Actually the same applies to the Railroad police which is the pattern used to create the FBI.
    An individual has no access to due process when abused by either of these organisations.
    Totally unacceptable!
     
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    But you don't see a pattern of a number of high ranking FBI officials in deep trouble, fired, demoted, etc.

    That they are, the turnover and demotions, is fact.
     
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    I am amazed that liberals think Trump is an idiot. He may be an asshole. He may be uncouth. He is by no means an idiot though in my opinion.
     
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    Ha!
    All of the above and then some more adjectives are likely need to get an adequate picture.

    But then, I do not think he is necessarily the same man we get pictured from 20 years ago either.

    I know I am not.
     
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    Obviously you listed a number of them, so yes, there is a number. Whether it is a pattern (beyond the simple number) or not depends on the facts, which are lacking.

    Yep. The why matters also, though.

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    Now we need to add a Special Investigation of Congress Collusion with The Russians, except Congress can't investigate itself, and all our other Investigative Agencies are currently subjects of investigations of Russian Collusion themselves, and Mueller's shown a Special Counsel is out of the question...

    We need someone above reproach, like the NBA Referee Association! :cheers:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ontact-dossier-author-christopher-steele.html
     
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    My point exactly.
     
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    Yes, the transparency PROVES he's guilty. If he were innocent he'd be hiding something.

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    Secrecy seemed very important to Warner as the conversation with Waldman heated up March 29, when the lobbyist revealed that Steele wanted a bipartisan letter from Warner and the committee’s chairman, North Carolina Republican Sen. Richard Burr, inviting him to talk to the Senate intelligence panel.


    Throughout the text exchanges, Warner seemed particularly intent on connecting directly with Steele without anyone else on the Senate Intelligence Committee being in the loop -- at least initially. In one text to the lobbyist, Warner wrote that he would "rather not have a paper trail" of his messages.
     
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    So your twisted logic is that the FBI is crooked, but anti-liberal, so that's why liberals are defending the FBI now, and we should just let the FBI continue assassinating public figures who oppose corruption?

    Your post makes me dizzy.
     
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    You're the expert on facts that are lacking!

    Two more top FBI officials gone.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/08/fbi-texts-officials-resign-400533

    Two more officials cited in FBI texts step down
    The FBI's media chief and the head of the Justice Department's anti-espionage section are both departing.
     

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