Require parents who don’t want a child vaccinated to get a science lesson

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    And you don't think you need a science lesson about vaccines...

    And what chickenpox, mumps and measles are.
     
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    Please link to the mountain of evidence decades of studies successfully demonstrating a link between vaccines and autism you purport to have. I'm more than happy to change my opinion on the subject if you can do so.

    Autism is a spectrum disorder, the development of which sometimes coincides with the age at which children are administered the MMR vaccine. Since the debunked Lancet study there have been over a dozen studies conducted surveying hundreds of thousands of children, none of which have demonstrated a significant difference in the rate of autism between vaccinated and un-vaccinated children. The panic among some parents (and reemergence of preventable diseases such as whooping cough) has spurred many more studies that are ongoing--I don't know what the results will be.

    If you think every study debunking the autism-vaccine link is fraudulent I would suggest the trust issues are your own.
     
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    Maris doesn't believe studies done by business or government, so basically that only leaves McCarthy.
     
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    I didn't. I don't want to argue about minocycline or thimerosal or the components of vaccines administered before I was born, before the supposed boom in autism. My issue is with the anecdotal/unscientific connection people are willing to make regarding vaccines and autism.
     
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    Big Foots don't get vaccinated and you never see autistic Big Foots.
     
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    Every single big foot I have seen was obviously autistic.




    Autism is a complex issue and there are many scientists working on many possible causes. Likely, there will not be a specific cause, but a whole bunch of environmental factors from drinking in utero, diet of mother and baby, age of parents (especially father), metal and other toxicities in water. Most of these possible factors are being researched. But one area that has been researched thoroughly and debunked are that vaccines, as they are currently administered, are the cause. Most of the time, I would laugh if off as people just not understanding the importance of scientific research, but in this case there is little funny about the kids that die because of this stupid misunderstanding.
     
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    It's none of the state's business to interfere with how parents choose to raise their kids.

    That said, I don't at all believe vaccinations cause autism, and I would vaccinate my kids and hope everyone else does so, too.
     
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    I would agree with you on many similar issues, but I don't think it's quite so clear cut with some vaccines since some diseases might require a grand plan to it eradicate the disease. Polio for example is a thing of the past because we were able to vaccinate the vast majority of kid for years. There will be a tipping point at witch if too many opt out of vaccinations then large scale disease could result. Right now we are talking dozens of deaths per year, what if that projected to become thousands or millions of deaths.
     
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    The grand plan still works if a few morons refuse to participate.
     
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    If the majority of kids got polio than Denny's kids could be professional athletes. Without the other kids being crippled then his kids would go back to be last picked.
     
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    Funny that polio was eradicated without requiring, by law, that anyone had to take the vaccine.
     
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    If it comes back, it'd stand to reason that only the non-vaccinated kids would be getting polio, and then the problem would kind of fix itself, no?
     
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    Also, the vaccinations for those that do get them can become less complete if many opt out, because that provides more chances for the virus to mutate and no longer be prevented by a vaccine. So even if you get your kids vaccinated, if enough people opt out of the program your children will be at a greater risk for catching a variant of the infectious disease.
     
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    Pre Internet times, a different world.
     
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    If it comes back we are fucked because I don't think anyone gets it anymore.

    But, I understand what you are saying. It would work itself out "killing or hobbling kids" as long as there were no mutation. But the longer it were out there, and the more bodies that were infected, the more likely that there would be a mutation making vaccinated people susceptible.
     
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    Humbug.

    It wasn't the government that did it. It was the Mellon family granting big bucks to the research and the private march of dimes charity that encouraged the vaccinations.
     
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    Interesting, I didn't know that.
     
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    In 1947, Salk accepted an appointment to the University of Pittsburgh School of Medicine. In 1948, he undertook a project funded by the National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis to determine the number of different types of polio virus. Salk saw an opportunity to extend this project towards developing a vaccine against polio, and, together with the skilled research team he assembled, devoted himself to this work for the next seven years. The field trial set up to test the Salk vaccine was, according to O'Neill, "the most elaborate program of its kind in history, involving 20,000 physicians and public health officers, 64,000 school personnel, and 220,000 volunteers." Over 1,800,000 school children took part in the trial.[3] When news of the vaccine's success was made public on April 12, 1955, Salk was hailed as a "miracle worker," and the day "almost became a national holiday." His sole focus had been to develop a safe and effective vaccine as rapidly as possible, with no interest in personal profit. When he was asked in a televised interview who owned the patent to the vaccine, Salk replied: "There is no patent. Could you patent the sun?"[4]
     
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    National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis was the march of dimes. UofPitt was a private school.

    Next?
     
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