lol....at 09...do you realize how long that is going to take? by then most of our players will be washed up and untradeable...you plan has zero logic, you just want the Knicks to remain a bad - medicore team with a life lasting cap problem. I better believe Knicks will trade Marbury for a bad contract? Do you realize how you sound right now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">lol....at 09...do you realize how long that is going to take? by then most of our players will be washed up and untradeable...you plan has zero logic, you just want the Knicks to remain a bad - medicore team with a life lasting cap problem.</div> After reading all of your posts in this thread and some of the other threads, I've come to one conclusion - you're suffering from an inferiority complex complicated with a very egotistical mind. It is your plan that has zero logic, not shapecity's. You start out talking about how the trades you proposed would help out with the Knicks' salary cap situation, but you include names like Antonio Davis - which completely baffles me, let alone make sense in any particular way - and give up your future by trading away the 2006 First Round Pick, Michael Sweetney and Quentin Richardson. You have to understand that Larry Brown wants a vastly different team than the one Isiah Thomas had in mind, and he is going to demand some moves to be made that fits his vision. The Knicks are in a deep, dark hole as far as the salary cap is concerned, and in my opinion you will do yourselves a favour by just letting those contracts expire, rather than taking more contracts in return. That is if Isiah has any plans to go under the cap, which all the signs so far are pointing otherwise. You aren't getting any major relief until at least the 2008-2009 season, and it is safe to assume that it will be next to impossible to pry LeBron and Yao off their respective teams in Cleveland and Houston. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">I better believe Knicks will trade Marbury for a bad contract? Do you realize how you sound right now?</div> Well, what else do you think you would get for a bad contract? Let's not for a moment forget that Marbury's contract is one of the worst ones to move. Considering that not every team in the NBA have the money to throw out like the Knicks or the Mavericks, I don't see how anyone in their right state of mind would take on Marbury's contract without getting rid of a bad contract or two of their own.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">lol....at 09...do you realize how long that is going to take? by then most of our players will be washed up and untradeable...you plan has zero logic, you just want the Knicks to remain a bad - medicore team with a life lasting cap problem. I better believe Knicks will trade Marbury for a bad contract? Do you realize how you sound right now?</div> Again, you misread, I said 2008 not 2009. Go back and read the entire post, there's a very LOGICAL explanation to it as well. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I better believe Knicks will trade Marbury for a bad contract? Do you realize how you sound right now?</div> Absolutely, the Knicks will have to eat 1 or 2 bad trades to unload Stephon Marbury, after all he's making close to $20Million a year. Do you remember what Phoenix had to absorb to unload him? It's going to be even worse for the Knicks. Teams are not lining up to trade for Stephon Marbury, everywhere he has gone he's lost, everywhere he has left those teams have gone on to win. You think a team is going to give you equal value for Stephon Marbury, you are kidding yourself, this is not NBA Live or a Sim League, my friend. Your suggestion was Telfair & NVE for Marbury. Why on earth would the Blazers do this deal? They are trying to trim payroll, and giving up their future PG for Marbury plus an expiring contract they can use to fill a position they actually need makes no sense whatsoever. The Blazers future is set with a lot of young talented players, they are not going to throw that all away on Marbury. Then you have to ask yourself why the Knicks and specifically LB would want Telfair as his starting PG. LB likes a big point guard, Telfair is small, LB likes experienced PGs, Telfair is going to be in year two, LB likes a PG who plays defense, Telfair is a terrible defensive player. Telfair does not fit the description or style of LB. Why would I take the time to think this out and explain my trades if I just wanted to make the Knicks stay bad and continue to be in salary cap hell? Why don't you make an effort to come up with REALISTIC trades, like the original poster asked for, and then you can start chastising us NON-Knick fans. If you have read this far, please do not respond with, "I know this is not NBA Live or a Sim League, you just hate the Knicks." "Rasho and Ratcliff (as you like to call him) are too, slow and make too, much money." Instead offer us a REALISTIC game plan, based on Larry Brown's style, not j0se's preferences.
You're explanations are not logical. shape...since you're trying to be realstic, where are your sorces that Knicks have to trade Marbury, a top 5 PG, and top 20 NBA player for bad contracts? Do I remember what Phoneix did? lol are you an idiot? Phoneix GOT a whole buch of <u>EXPIRING contracts</u>, and draft picks, and young players, to open up cap space to sign guys like Quiten Richardson and Steven Nash...after that they won 60 games, that what happends when you clear up cap space....lmao, you don't trade your best player for a BAD CONTRACT , when you trade your best guy, it basically means you want to start from <u>a clean slate</u>, not damn continue this process of overpaid long contracts...this is what you don't understand, or you don't care about...lol you don't even follow the Knicks, what can you really say? Blazers get a first rounder, and elite PG, they already got alot of young guys on their squad, they need veteran all star to mature these kids. NVE is a bench player, and Telfair is a sophmore, all what away? Blazers benefit this trade, Knicks do this trade cause they need to rebuild right away. Why would Larry Brown want Rasho...he's a non atheletic 7 foot guy who fouls alot, has a limited offensive game with an inconsistant jumpshot, can't hit free throws, and lost his starting job to Nazr Mohhamed...who was traded for Malik Rose...lmao, where do you get your sorces from? if Nasho does land here, we better get alot of draft picks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You're explanations are not logical. shape...since you're trying to be realstic, where are your sorces that Knicks have to trade Marbury, a top 5 PG, and top 20 NBA player for bad contracts? Do I remember what Phoneix did? lol are you an idiot? Phoneix GOT a whole buch of <u>EXPIRING contracts</u>, and draft picks, and young players, to open up cap space to sign guys like Quiten Richardson and Steven Nash...after that they won 60 games, that what happends when you clear up cap space....lmao, you don't trade your best player for a BAD CONTRACT , when you trade your best guy, it basically means you want to start from <u>a clean slate</u>, not damn continue this process of overpaid long contracts...this is what you don't understand, or you don't care about...lol you don't even follow the Knicks, what can you really say? Blazers get a first rounder, and elite PG, they already got alot of young guys on their squad, they need veteran all star to mature these kids. NVE is a bench player, and Telfair is a sophmore, all what away? Blazers benefit this trade, Knicks do this trade cause they need to rebuild right away. Why would Larry Brown want Rasho...he's a non atheletic 7 foot guy who fouls alot, has a limited offensive game with an inconsistant jumpshot, can't hit free throws, and lost his starting job to Nazr Mohhamed...who was traded for Malik Rose...lmao, where do you get your sorces from? if Nasho does land here, we better get alot of draft picks.</div> Am I an idiot? Nope The Suns took 3 terrible contracts Eisley, Ward, and McDyess to unload Marbury and Penny. At the time Marbury was the Suns superstar and best player, yet when they traded him they didn't get a superstar back. So your logic is flawed, so let me ask you ... "Are you an idiot?" Let me answer for you since you didn't read my last post. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you have read this far, please do not respond with, "I know this is not NBA Live or a Sim League, you just hate the Knicks." "Rasho and Ratcliff (as you like to call him) are too, slow and make too, much money." Instead offer us a REALISTIC game plan, based on Larry Brown's style, not j0se's preferences.</div>
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">shape...honestly, you're a good poster, but just stop talking about the Knicks, you're clowning yourself, a Rasho/Ratcliff front court has to be the most un productive idiotic idea i've seen My trades help the CAP, your trades doesnt do ANYTHING i mean...lol what the hell is the point? these guys are NBA scrubs now, back ups, getting paid starter money for a LONG PERIOD OF TIME I get scrubs who have expiring contracts, so I can open my cap space to sign guys like Lebron or Yao..........just stop this Udirth isn't a better passer than Marbury, its idiotic for you to think he will take Marbury's spot</div> Sometimes when i argue with my 5 year old neice it turns out this way lol jOse.....man.....son.......oh my...lol!! Where do i start 1) You keep commenting how Shapes are bad ideas and yours good because and you're reasoning is beyond comprehension. Stop talking about how YOUR plan is better becuase it does ________ because YOUR plan is ridiculous. In order to debate these sort of issues you're plan needs to be in the realm of reality but you're are very very very very far away from that realm. Stop briging up those past ideas because they just wont happen man. 2) I dont think you understand how the NBA works these days, thinking that you can trade Marbury for expiring contracts and young talent just because he puts up good numbers. The guy is aging, makes 20mill a year and isnt a well respected player in terms of the way he plays the game. 3) Marbury is like Allen Iverson in that they are scoring gaurds. He is a 2 gaurd. Sure he can pass ok, he gets lots of assists but that doesnt mean he's a PG. Lebron gets lots of assists does that make him a better PG than Bibby? Marbury should play the 2 on LB's team and he will. Book it. 4) With the new CBA a player can make 20mill more and sign for one year longer with his old team than a new suiter. What would you do if you were him? Sign a 5 year 70 mill contract with the Knicks, a very young, very unbuilt team or sign a 6 year 90mill contract with the Cavs, a team you've been with since day 1. A team that's from the same state as you live and your parents live and you've grown up in. A team that could potentionally have given you a ring already or at very least a very very quality squad built for the soul purpose of making you a star and win win win. If you say you'd sign with New York, i dont care what your reasons are i'll walk away and hang my head feeling sorry for you. 5) ^ Same question for Yao but with some obvious differences and the addition that Yao has already said he wants to stay a Rocket and that L.A money isnt that big a draw compared to what Houston can offer. 6) Why are you so combative lately? Telling someone not to "argue with you" about anything Knicks related because you watched 82 games last year? Saying that Marbury is unselfish....scratch that...."NEEDS TO BE MORE SELFISH" Now saying Shapes realistic ideas that would lead to more wins now and better players for the youngens to learn from are stupid then throwing you your fantasy trades like their at all realistic, touting your supremecy because you came up with the solution for the Knicks problems, when in fact all you did is come up with NBA live 2005 trades that would probably be rejected on easy mode. 7) I have to go back to this again.....Do you seriously think that you can trade Marbury, with all the money he makes and all the bad rap he has, for expiring contracts and young talent? You cant trade him for either! How can you believe that you can get rid of him without taking a bad contract back at all!? tell me its a joke please and i'll laugh with you instead. Webber was the Kings best player...look at the contracts they took. VC was the Raps best player and look what we had to take on. And both of those players are more tradeable that Marbury for many reasons. (VC more than Webber) I'm gunna stop typing now, but i hope this thread continues...its my daily injection of laughter. Shape, my hat goes off to you, very cool and calm in the face of...well i wont say so that this doesnt get locked. Actually all this makes me think about what i said the Knicks should of done shortly after draft day. I suggested they should of taken Graham at 8, traded K. Thomas to the Suns for a sign and trade of Hunter and the 21st pick(though maybe they should add in another pick in the future). Both those players fit LB's style. Graham is tough as nails, gritty defensive player and has heart and the ability to listen and learn. Ukic is a big gaurd, though he would need to add pounds to fit the "strong gaurd" role that LB is fond of. I also said to pick up Taft which doesnt fit the LB mold and i'm now thinking about differently. He's still a good project if he pans out and it would of cost only the 30th pick so its a low risk; solid potential deal. I then said sign J. James to the MLE which still could work since he's defensive...but i actually like the idea of working out a deal where they'd aquire Ratliff from Portland, credit to Shape for that one. I think a lineup of Hunter, Ratliff, Graham, Marbury, Ukic is a pretty decent one, though it would be great if they could get a more seasoned PG to start in place of Ukic till the time is right. Perhaps the same guy the Raps are pursuing, Calderon. Alot of this looks like what the Raps have done, but thats only because they're both in a simliar jam. They have some talented players with problem attitudes and no defense, mixed with some young potential. They are also weakest where the Raps are weakest (PG and C). jOse dont say i'm an idiot because "we're weak at PG!!? We have the uber bestest 5th dude on the list-ish thing in the league!!!!" Dont do that because Marbury should and probably will play SG for Larry Brown, so that leaves the Knicks with Nate at PG and....no one else. Also Nate is far far far from what Larry wants at the point. Anyways...just my thoughts. Peace
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">You're explanations are not logical. shape...since you're trying to be realstic, where are your sorces that Knicks have to trade Marbury, a top 5 PG, and top 20 NBA player for bad contracts? Do I remember what Phoneix did? lol are you an idiot? Phoneix GOT a whole buch of <u>EXPIRING contracts</u>, and draft picks, and young players, to open up cap space to sign guys like Quiten Richardson and Steven Nash...after that they won 60 games, that what happends when you clear up cap space....lmao, you don't trade your best player for a BAD CONTRACT , when you trade your best guy, it basically means you want to start from <u>a clean slate</u>, not damn continue this process of overpaid long contracts...this is what you don't understand, or you don't care about...lol you don't even follow the Knicks, what can you really say? Blazers get a first rounder, and elite PG, they already got alot of young guys on their squad, they need veteran all star to mature these kids. NVE is a bench player, and Telfair is a sophmore, all what away? Blazers benefit this trade, Knicks do this trade cause they need to rebuild right away. Why would Larry Brown want Rasho...he's a non atheletic 7 foot guy who fouls alot, has a limited offensive game with an inconsistant jumpshot, can't hit free throws, and lost his starting job to Nazr Mohhamed...who was traded for Malik Rose...lmao, where do you get your sorces from? if Nasho does land here, we better get alot of draft picks.</div> It wouldn't be a source if it said "The Knicks have to trade Marbury." And you better refrain from calling names instead of using logical explanations, because it will eventually lead to you being suspended or even expelled out of this board. Phoenix got young players and picks in the Marbury trade? Are you kidding me? Don't tell me names like Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward and Antonio McDyess fit the description of "young" players. Since when is Stephon Marbury a "veteran all-star that can mature these kids"? He's never been a mentor and he probably will never be one. If anything, it will take away from the young guys' playing time and touches. By the way, Nick Van Exel is a free agent and therefore your proposed deal wouldn't work in the first place. When you 'rebuild', it normally doesn't start and finish in one off-season. It takes at least 3-4 years of carefully planned process, which the Knicks will have to go through because of their cap situation that you spoke so fondly of. You can't expect them to unload all of their bad contracts and replace them with good, solid players with good contracts. That's mission impossible. Shapecity's trade does not come from sources, but nor does any of your scenarios - they are all his or your ideas. At least his trade scenario makes sense, but how in the world do you expect everyone else to come to agreement with your scenarios? NBA General Managers don't have fish-brains.
The reasons why New York shouldn't try to get Cap space for next season or as quickly as possible. 1) They signed a Hall of Fame coach and have considerably improved their roster. It looks like they will make playoffs. If you trade away all your pieces they will not make playoffs. 2) Most teams do not want to take on NY's rather large contracts, because it would restrict their flexibility. Unless NY sends a handful of draft picks, its unlikely that teams want a large number of New Yorks massive contracts. 3) New York does not care about being over the cap, which can be a positive. If your team does not care about money, then you can take on players that are talented, but teams just don't like their contracts. Like a Theo Ratcliff, Baron Davis was traded for peanuts because they didn't like his contract. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">Alot of this looks like what the Raps have done, but thats only because they're both in a simliar jam. They have some talented players with problem attitudes and no defense, mixed with some young potential. They are also weakest where the Raps are weakest (PG and C).</div> The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting 02civic:</div><div class="quote_post">jOse dont say i'm an idiot because "we're weak at PG!!? We have the uber bestest 5th dude on the list-ish thing in the league!!!!" Dont do that because Marbury should and probably will play SG for Larry Brown, so that leaves the Knicks with Nate at PG and....no one else. Also Nate is far far far from what Larry wants at the point.</div> Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg. They are potentially weak at pg(depends how Marbury works out), and they still are somewhat weak at C. If they were to land Ratcliff, they would be in good shape for the next few years. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post"> So your logic is flawed, so let me ask you ... "Are you an idiot?" </div> Shape, you've been the bigger man until this point, don't lower your debate to that level as well. If you are asking him that question, you only make it seem ok to ask you that question as well. J0se, it accomplishes nothing if you call people names and all this nonsense, it tends to just show immaturity if that is the only way you can debate. Debate with facts, not with insults. J0se if Mutumbo worked so well in the Philidelphia scheme, what makes you think that a quite similar player like Ratcliff could not flourish under Larry Brown in New York. PG: Marbury/Nate SG: Crawford/Q-Rich SF: Q-Rich/Ariza/TT PF: Sweetney/Rose/JYD C: Ratcliff/Jerome James/Frye With that team + Larry Brown, I think it has the potential to be an excellent team and Brown has been known to maximize potential with the players he has.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post"> The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba. </div> I think they're in the same position as far as the compisition of the team and the fact that both are essentially rebuilding. Pre Brown they were in very similiar positions, with him they've stated that the want to win NOW but i just dont see them going all out on it. The Raps want to win NOW too, sure they have a bit less of a chance of doing that, but the fact is both teams are trying to win as many games as possible while waiting out their bad contracts and trying to develop all the youth they've aquired this off season and the seasons past. Isiah new Brown was on the board when he drafted Frye, Nate and an undersized PF, Brown was at that point still a possibility to the Knicks yet Isiah went out and drafted players that definetaly do NOT fit the Larry Brown style of play. I mean, if you there was a chance he was going to be available, and if he was you KNEW you were gunna spend alot of cheese to try and get him, dont you think you'd draft some players that at least sort of fit the mold? I dont see the Knicks going into full LB mode...i dont see Isiah trading away guys for LB role players. I dont think Isiah wants to do it. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post"> Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg.</div> Thats great, i heard his speech and i thought it was at very least admirable. However, no way in hell am i gunna count on Marbury to deliver on those words. Hell Jerome James had a similiar speech to Marbury's, and i'm hoping none of you are buying into that too hard. Marbury is Marbury...he wont change i promise you that. Forget about seeing Nash play last year and that inspiring him...HE WAS TRADED FOR JASON KIDD, a player that everyone said was better than him, a player that ended up having more success than him in every way possible, a player that was right next door getting all the All-NBA first teams, all the all-star games, all the awards. If all that doesnt inspire you to be more of a PG than why is Nash's going to.....i dont know. I just cant see this team of misfits going anywhere but maybe 1 or 2 picks behind the Raps in next years lottery.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">j0se = </div> lol host it on photobucket man. Thats a funny add though lol
I think that under Larry Brown, Jerome Williams has chance to start over Michael Sweetney for the simple fact that he brings defense, kind of like a poor man's Ben Wallace.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting shapecity:</div><div class="quote_post">Am I an idiot? Nope The Suns took 3 terrible contracts Eisley, Ward, and McDyess to unload Marbury and Penny. At the time Marbury was the Suns superstar and best player, yet when they traded him they didn't get a superstar back. So your logic is flawed, so let me ask you ... "Are you an idiot?" Let me answer for you since you didn't read my last post.</div> MCDYSESS AND EISLEY WERE EXPIRING CONTRACTS YOU ASS, SUNS DID THIS DEAL TO OPEN UP CAP SPACE....leading to the signing of Q Rich and Nash...and having the best overall record in the NBA... lol you fool, they didn't get an all star back, but they open up room to sign the MVP of the NBA Steve Nash, and one of the best 3pt shooters in the league in Q Rich, do you understand now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">It wouldn't be a source if it said "The Knicks have to trade Marbury." And you better refrain from calling names instead of using logical explanations, because it will eventually lead to you being suspended or even expelled out of this board. Phoenix got young players and picks in the Marbury trade? Are you kidding me? Don't tell me names like Howard Eisley, Charlie Ward and Antonio McDyess fit the description of "young" players. Since when is Stephon Marbury a "veteran all-star that can mature these kids"? He's never been a mentor and he probably will never be one. If anything, it will take away from the young guys' playing time and touches. By the way, Nick Van Exel is a free agent and therefore your proposed deal wouldn't work in the first place. When you 'rebuild', it normally doesn't start and finish in one off-season. It takes at least 3-4 years of carefully planned process, which the Knicks will have to go through because of their cap situation that you spoke so fondly of. You can't expect them to unload all of their bad contracts and replace them with good, solid players with good contracts. That's mission impossible. Shapecity's trade does not come from sources, but nor does any of your scenarios - they are all his or your ideas. At least his trade scenario makes href='http://consumeralertsystem.com/cas/Managers don't have zx-hclick.php?hid=94' target='_blank'>nba</a> General fish-brains.</div>sense, but how in the world do you expect everyone else to come to agreement with your scenarios? http://www.insidehoops.com/free-agents.shtml Free Agents: Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Richie Frahm (restricted), Damon Stoudamire Nick Van Exel has an expiring contract...lmao @ you...where are you pulling these things from now? You're desperate, just don't reply or you'll make a bigger fool of yourself 3-4 years? Lebron will be the best player in the NBA by the time we sign him in, Knicks will be NBA contenders if we get under the cap and sign a guy like Lebron or Yao Whoa, stop riding shapecity, okay, so you admit SHape doesn't have any sorces? But his ideas don't make any sense, Knicks degrade in talent, and get two back up centers to start our front court, if we get Theo and Nasho at the front court, these guys don't have a reliable post game we can look to, and they're very injury prone Listen up genius, Theo is a 32, we don't need another limited offensive center who fouls alot and only gets attention cause of his blocks, we need a legit all around center, Theo isn't going to be a long time center for our team, he SHOULDNT be, he has 3 - 4 years on his contract Nasho is just about the same as Theo, terrible offensive player, average rebounder, and fouls alot, and gets overrated value cause of his blocks...how....lol this is so idiotic, "Nasho/Theo" frontcourt makes sense? explain your self, and stop riding shapecity. This is my scenario plain and simple, I don't have sorces, but this is how I would plan it, start the team over, keep our young core of Nate, Lee, and Fyre, and trade talent for expiring contracts, teams who need talented players who want to contend in the playoffs, cause right now we're just an 8th seed team with alot of hope, we're not legit yet, and only way to get to that elite level is if Zeke gets another superstar in here. Like I said, this cap problem is something we have to face soooner or later...but its like you can't read, you're too busy riding shapecity.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting SkiptoMyLue11:</div><div class="quote_post">The reasons why New York shouldn't try to get Cap space for next season or as quickly as possible. 1) They signed a Hall of Fame coach and have considerably improved their roster. It looks like they will make playoffs. If you trade away all your pieces they will not make playoffs. 2) Most teams do not want to take on NY's rather large contracts, because it would restrict their flexibility. Unless NY sends a handful of draft picks, its unlikely that teams want a large number of New Yorks massive contracts. 3) New York does not care about being over the cap, which can be a positive. If your team does not care about money, then you can take on players that are talented, but teams just don't like their contracts. Like a Theo Ratcliff, Baron Davis was traded for peanuts because they didn't like his contract. The Raptors and the Knicks are no longer in the same boat anymore, New York needs to win now. New York didn't need Ukic, because he probably would have taken some time to develop and probably at best an average defender, it would take him some time to develop. Not to mention his intentions were to play in Europe for 2 years before the nba. Civic, Marbury admitted he was wrong at the end of the season, that he saw Steve Nash's ways and that he should play more similar to him. If Marbury understands his old way was wrong, then the Knicks would have to look no further for a pg. They are potentially weak at pg(depends how Marbury works out), and they still are somewhat weak at C. If they were to land Ratcliff, they would be in good shape for the next few years. Shape, you've been the bigger man until this point, don't lower your debate to that level as well. If you are asking him that question, you only make it seem ok to ask you that question as well. J0se, it accomplishes nothing if you call people names and all this nonsense, it tends to just show immaturity if that is the only way you can debate. Debate with facts, not with insults. J0se if Mutumbo worked so well in the Philidelphia scheme, what makes you think that a quite similar player like Ratcliff could not flourish under Larry Brown in New York. PG: Marbury/Nate SG: Crawford/Q-Rich SF: Q-Rich/Ariza/TT PF: Sweetney/Rose/JYD C: Ratcliff/Jerome James/Frye With that team + Larry Brown, I think it has the potential to be an excellent team and Brown has been known to maximize potential with the players he has.</div> If if If, Ratcliff is injury prone, Mutumbo was an all star, Ratcliff is just a NBA back up. You follow 3 NBA teams which is weird, I doubt you know about the Knicks, we don't need any more big men who foul alot, understand? We have Sweetney, Fyre, Jerome James, and Maurice Taylor.... I'm telling shape whats wrong with his scanerio cause the guy has zero clue what the Knicks issues are. zero. lol...I'm not insulting no one, this isn't an emo forum, don't get emotional and walk it off.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Bobcats:</div><div class="quote_post">j0se = </div> lol thats probably you in the picture
Hey, hey, hey; let's calm down, people. Now although you might not agree with everything said, that doesn?t mean you have to take it to personal levels. This thread is another post away from getting locked and it doesn?t have to be so, either. So I suggest everyone stops the baiting, personal attacks and profanity and stick to the original topic of this thread.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">lol thats probably you in the picture </div> Don't be mad because you got owned.
