Resignation over flawed paper "debunking" man-made global warming

Only god can change a climate.

 

are you blaming god for climate change?

why do you hate god so much? what did he ever do to you?

 

How many gods does it take to change a climate?

A: [your joke can appear here, send $100 to PO Box 47, Grand Rapids, MI 34923]

barfo

 

42.

 

I will give you props for that. You are a gentleman and a scholar. Well, maybe not a scholar. But definitely a gentleman. And if I've said some things that either were interpreted as less than cordial, or were intended as less than cordial, or both, my bad.

Agree completely. Although he looks a lot less stiff these days than he did back in 2000.

barfo

 

I guess I picked a bad illustration. Obviously, since John is suckling at the public teat for his income, he is infinitely more criminal than Bob, who is an ongoing victim of unconstitutional government interference upon his right to accumulate wealth through his own efforts.

barfo

 

Awesome post, Nik.

For fun...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...entists-find/2011/08/25/gIQA6IeaeJ_story.html
http://www.real-science.com/uncategorized/sea-level-continues-historic-decline
http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2011/02/18/nasa-sea-level-declining-around-the-us/

Oddly, I was reading those yesterday, before you posted.

Cheers

 

You're talking about the temperature graph (I called it sinusoidal)?

I posted it in response to Julius saying this was a particularly hot summer/year. It was meant to show 2009 was a very cold year.

My comment about it looking like a sine wave was coincidental. Obviously, the time frame of the chart is tiny, and I would not extrapolate that it's similar over geologic time frames.

BTW, we didn't have a summer in San Diego last year. We have what we call May Gray and June Gloom, typically. The normal pattern is the marine layer is gone for the 4th of July through about October. Last year, we had grey skies and chilly weather from mid-January on, and I don't recall any 80 degree days at all.

 

I went D'oh a few minutes after I made my post. I figured out you were talking about the sea level graph.

 

More on resignations from scientific organizations.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/en...ing-as-Nobel-laureate-resigns-in-protest.html

Prof Giaever is one of the most prominent scientific dissenters challenging the controversial man-made global warming claims of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and former US vice-president Al Gore.

He has testified to the US Senate about his doubts, calling himself a "sceptic" on global warming and citing both his birthplace and other scientific scares he has seen come and go during his career.

"I am Norwegian, should I really worry about a little bit of warming?" he said. "I am unfortunately becoming an old man. We have heard many similar warnings about the acid rain 30 years ago and the ozone hole 10 years ago or deforestation but the humanity is still around.

"Global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money."

Prof Giaever, 82, is not alone in rejecting the APS's insistence that there is consensus on the existence and severity of man-made global warming.

Several prominent members have expressed frustration that it has refused to reconsider its position – drawn up in 2007 – in the light of the "Climategate" controversy about the findings of the Climatic Research Unit at the University of East Anglia.

"Measured or reconstructed temperature records indicate that 20th - 21st century changes are neither exceptional nor persistent, and the historical and geological records show many periods warmer than today," dissenters wrote in an open letter to it its governing board.

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So lets see. He doesn't care because he's old and is from a cold place, and other environmental problems didn't kill the human race. Of course, that's partly because we took action to fix those problems.

This guy is somewhat less than a star witness for your side, Denny.

barfo

 

Yeah, but he's right.

 

He seems like an old school scientist who wasn't brainwashed by a generation of guys doing bad science.

In a fresh challenge to claims that there is scientific "consensus" on climate change, Prof Ivar Giaever has resigned from the American Physical Society, where his peers had elected him a fellow to honour his work.

The society, which has 48,000 members, has adopted a policy statement which states: "The evidence is incontrovertible: global warming is occurring."


But Prof Giaever, who shared the 1973 Nobel award for physics, told The Sunday Telegraph. "Incontrovertible is not a scientific word. Nothing is incontrovertible in science."

The US-based Norwegian physicist, who is the chief technology officer at Applied Biophysics Inc and a retired academic at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, the oldest technological university in the English-speaking world, added: "Global warming has become the new religion."
Prof Giaever was one of Barack Obama's leading scientific supporters during the 2008 president election campaign, joining 70 Nobel science laureates endorsing his candidacy.

But he has since criticised Mr Obama over his stance on global warming and was one of more 100 scientists who wrote an open letter to him, declaring: "We maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated."

He has now parted company with the APS after what he called lengthy consideration. In an email to its executive office Kate Kirby, he said he "cannot live" with its official statement on global warming.

He questioned whether the average temperature of "the whole earth for a whole year" can be accurately measured, but contended that even if the results are accurate, they indicate the climate has actually been "amazingly stable" for 150 years.

And he concluded that in any case, both "human health and happiness have definitely improved" over the so-called "warming period" of the last century and a half.

In its policy statement, the APS declares: "Emissions of greenhouse gases from human activities are changing the atmosphere in ways that affect the Earth's climate. They are emitted from fossil fuel combustion and a range of industrial and agricultural processes. The evidence is incontrovertible: global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now."