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  1. durvasa

    durvasa JBB Rockets Fan

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    I know he had at least one other extremely egregious flop against Yao earlier in the year. Might have been the second game they played in Houston.

    I actually like Joel Pryzbilla a lot. I'd love him as a backup C on my team. But he has to be near the top of the list of worst post defense floppers. Varaejo is king, Oberto is pretty good, but Pryzbilla is right there as well. And, yes, Scola does flop. But he's Argentinian and has played in Europe, so he has an excuse. ;)

    What I was referring to (25 seconds in). And Scola comes back with a flop of his own ... though at least he wait for the contact before he started falling down. There is an art to flopping correctly!

    [video=youtube;4_rvHz0GVro]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_rvHz0GVro&feature=channel_page[/video]
     
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    He did both. He was the master of creating contact and flailing as though he was the one who got hit.
     
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    And as you see by the highlights, our flop is called a foul on Joel, and your flop was called a foul on LMA. So it's unfair officiating to your advantage.
     
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    have you ever heard of anyone but jazz fans who liked the jazz? everyone hates the jazz.

    scola is more of a flopper than joel. definitely. i don't agree with the general consensus that battier is a huge flopper though. he gets to spots and takes hits. he's a great positional defender. his reputation as a defender definitely gets him some calls he doesn't deserve where he wasn't quite in position or didn't get there fast enough, but his flopping is vastly overstated.
     
  5. durvasa

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    You asked why I thought the refs spoke to the teams, and I provided two sources. The Referee Guide off NBA.com which indicates that a player who leaves his feet in the restricted area will not be called for a blocking foul when there's contact, and a report on refs speaking to teams before preseasons on various points of emphasis which backed up exactly what I said. You dismiss that as "innuendo"?

    whatever due ...
     
  6. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    And like I said, Joel flops to illustrate a real foul. Yao lowered his shoulder in that play. Yeah, Joel flopped, but Yao created the contact. Scola flopped on an Aldridge backdown. At no time did Aldridge lower the shoulder. It was his butt the whole way.
     
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    They are both flops, in my view, but not of the same degree. So I wouldn't call that unfair officiating.

    Joel flopped before the contact, and while on the ground his feet tripped up Yao. That has to be either a no call or a defensive foul. Scola appeared to flop after receiving the bump square in the chest. To me, on review, that's a no call, but it's really a judgment call because you have to be able to gauge in real time how much contact Scola really received. Those can, and routinely do, go either way.
     
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    Yao is just turning into the lane for his jump hook (he can't help it that he's 7'6), and to me it looks like Pryzbilla was falling down before there even any contact. Are my eyes playing tricks on me?

    BTW, check 1:40 as well. Another flop! :)

    And, geez, ... two more flops back to back at 7:35!
     
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    You don't see Yao turn and ram his whole upper body, shoulder first, into Joel?

    On the Aldridge foul, technically it's a foul because you aren't supposed to be able to dislodge a defender, but he's just using his butt and back. It's the same as any post player backing someone down. Yao actually turned and lowered his shoulder into Przybilla.
     
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    Here's what's weird about Houston fans. At least from my perspective.

    Their online fan community is obviously very passionate and crazy, which I think is a good thing. But every Rocket home game I watch on TV it seems like the arena is half full and seems really quiet. Maybe it's a misguided perception on my part, but that first game we played in Houston this year, that arena seemed pathetic and dead. :dunno:
     
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    So you admit that they're both flops, but say it's not unfair officiating? If anything, to be fair, they could call a foul on Joel for touching him with his foot, and the LMA one should be a no-call. So it is unfair if both are obviously flops that it's basically a net 2 in the foul column for the Blazers.
     
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    A great deal of the Houston fanbase online is Chinese. They clearly aren't going to be filling up Houston's stadium.
     
  13. Natebishop3

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    They could.......... if they allowed virtual seating. Put little cameras and monitors in every seat with speakers. Don't even have to leave the comfort of your home. :devilwink:
     
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    No, and here's why. To me (others here obviously disagree), Pryzbilla did not take the contact square in the chest before he fell. He was falling as Yao was turning into him. With Scola, he probably flopped, but he did so after taking the bump. And as indicated in a link I posted earlier, the NBA has said that just because player flopped, that in itself does not negate any contact that may have proceeded it. So, Scola clearly embellished by falling down, but the officials still have to ref the bump that occurred and decide if it was an offensive foul or not. That becomes a judgment call.
     
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    The reason is become the entire lower bowl of Toyota Center is filled mostly by corporate season ticket holders. They're not really the die hard Rocket fans, and many of them actually hang out in the lounge outside for much of the game. It sucks, but that's how the Rockets owner wants to make his money.
     
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    Good point.
     
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    a mod (of all posters) from another fanbase comes in and takes the low road insulting me out of the blue questioning whether "I even know what I'm seeing" earns an FU... now you're acting indignant? :lol:

    as a guest especially, give respect=get respect. Unfortunately you failed... feel free to piss off

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    their fans are currently chanting Lakers Suck!... maybe we've misjudged them?

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    Unless they changed the rules, if a defender jumps, even if holding arms straight up, and there's body contact, that technically is a foul. It's not always called, but it is called more often than not, and as far as I know, has always been considered a foul.

    If the offensive player runs into the defensive player who is holding his arms straight up while not moving his feet, nor in the air, then there is no foul (or there is an offensive foul if too much contact).

    So, yes, Yao did get away with some fouls. I saw a few times where Yao jumped as Roy was driving to the hoop.

    I'm not arguing the whole "Which team did the refs favor?" debate. Cuz frankly, both teams got away with a lot, and the fact that Rockets fans are wetting themselves over it is ridiculous. The officiating was terrible both ways, each teams' fans only recall the things that the other team got away with.
     

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