<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KleinBaller08:</div><div class="quote_post">Scoring points doesnt make you a leader. McGrady went to the playoff that year, took a 3-1 lead in the first round, said he was excited to be in the 2nd round, and lost the series 4-3. Thats not a leader...</div> As opposed to Yao ... who's accomplished nothing? McGrady led his team to the playoffs, leading his team in multiple statistical categories. Yeah, that doesn't make him Magic Johnson, but he showed more leadership that year than Yao has. Yao doesn't have the game or the mentality for our offense to be run through him. In time, it may come, but he's not there yet. McGrady, on the other hand, I believe is ready. Anyways, we'll see what happens in the coming month. By the way, do you play basketball at Klein High School?
Yeah I go to Klein. Personally neither have showed leadership qualities, but coming into this, this was Yao's team, and it was established this would be Yao's team. That was decision was made on McGrady's part also.
McGrady led his team to the playoffs; Yao didn't. Although Houston made it to the playoffs last year, I'd credit all that to Steve Francis. Yeah, Yao led us in scoring and rebounding, but who was there in the clutch? Who was the one pumping his team up and patting their teammates? Who showed up in the playoffs and who fizzled? Yao does not have the mentality to lead a team yet, and that will have to come with time.
The playoff mean nothing if you dont win. Carmelo lead his team to the playoffs and they got swept. McGrady isnt a leader, sorry. The only reason they made the playoffs was they had enough talent in a horrible eastern conference. Anyone can pump and pat there teammates, you dont know whats happening behind the scenes. McGrady's not a leader, and I refuse to say so...
Also when did this become about being a leader? I just said the offense should be run through Yao. The leader of this team is the PG(always) and Jim Jackson, because hes a veteran who gets lots of minutes and knows how to win. Neither Yao OR McGrady can do that.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KleinBaller08:</div><div class="quote_post">The playoff mean nothing if you dont win. Carmelo lead his team to the playoffs and they got swept. McGrady isnt a leader, sorry. The only reason they made the playoffs was they had enough talent in a horrible eastern conference. Anyone can pump and pat there teammates, you dont know whats happening behind the scenes. McGrady's not a leader, and I refuse to say so...</div> First off, the Nuggets didn't get swept, they lost 4-1. Secondly, being a leader does not just mean leading your team deep into the playoffs. Jordan with the Wizards did not make the playoffs, would you say he's no leader? And you mention I don't know what goes on behind scenes. How much behind the scenes do you know to assume that Tracy doesn't do the stuff a leader does behind the scenes?
Excuse me they won a game, .Also from what people in the organization said McGrady was a complainer, and wasent much of a leader.Now that is some he said she said stuff, but remember the comments hes making now about his teammates and such. Also Jordan proved himself a leader a llllllllllllllllllllllloooooooooooooooonnnnnnnngggg time before the Wizards, you cant even use that as an example, because he had such a representation as a leader before, that anyone would listen to him.
First off, the team should run through Tmac, only because he is an agressive player, proven that he can score, and more consistent than Yao. By centering the team around Yao, who is just three years into the league, too passive, inconsistent, and not a team leader, it will overall hurt this team by not utilizing McGrady and hurting Yao's development. It just puts too much pressure on Yao, kind of like what happened to Kwame Brown on the Wizards, and it just makes all the potential go to waste. He can be great later on in the league, but just not now. Yao isn't ready, he probably knows this, and yet the organization continuously keeps trying to put the team on his shoulders. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">but remember the comments hes making now about his teammates and such.</div> I find it perfectly fine to make comments about your teamates when they aren't hustling and stepping it up. He's just frustrated because of the team's current losses and how hyped up they were before the season started.
Im not talking about his Rocket teammates. Im talking about the comments hes making about his Orlando teammates now that hes gone. You cant lead a team you hate. You never heard Jordan saying Steve Kerr was bad, Jordan has almost all garbage around him, other than pippen and rodman, and he won a championship. Thats a leader.
Ever heard about Jordan's horrible years in Washington? He practically harrassed and embarrassed Kwame Brown until the kid became a nothing in the league. I mean, the kid was suppposed to be a special player, being hyped up as he was, and Jordan just basically shut the kid down. McGrady on the other hand, had no one last year. There were no player that you can honestly say were comparable to Pippen or Rodman. Therefore, its not the best comparison with McGrady to Jordan.
Ron Harper, Toni Kukoc and Steve Kerr were not good enough for you? If you say that, then Kobe Bryant had garbage around him besides Shaq, and he won three championships. That doesn't mean he's a leader though.
Those were all role players, and if it wasent for Jordan those players wouldnt be half as known as they are. Jordan made the players around him better. McGrady has never done that. Also im not comparing Jordan to McGrady im saying that McGrady shows NO leadership qualities, name me one quality of leadership hes shown. Also Kwame Brown still hasent done anything now, Jordan didnt ruin Kwame Brown, Kwame Brown was never ready to begin with.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting KleinBaller08:</div><div class="quote_post">Im not talking about his Rocket teammates. Im talking about the comments hes making about his Orlando teammates now that hes gone. You cant lead a team you hate. You never heard Jordan saying Steve Kerr was bad, Jordan has almost all garbage around him, other than pippen and rodman, and he won a championship. Thats a leader.</div> Jordan was notoriously critical of his teammates even during the championship years. There's a book called "Jordan Rules" which talks about it. Anyways, if your argument is that a person needs to lead his team past the first round in the playoffs to be considered a leader, would you say that Garnett wasn't a leader all those years his team couldn't get past the first round and therefore didn't deserve to be considered a leader last year?
Jordan was one of the biggest trashtalkers in the game..but he had his rings, leadership, and skills to back em up so it's ok for him to say whatever he wants to say about his teammates' deficiencies.
Guys you're coming off topic with those Jordan comments. I see what KleinBaller is trying to say and yes he's right T-Mac wasn't a leader in the locker room in Orlando, he was trying to lead by example on the floor but that didn't work. Armstrong was the teamleader until Doc Rivers decided that T-Mac has to step up and take the lead, and so was Armstrong not signed to another contract and left Orlando. T-Mac did never speak with his teammates in the locker like Armstrong, he prefered to complain about them in the media (about Lue and Howard as well) and that destroyed team chemistry last year. Thanks to you guys we have team chemsitry again.
