<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Sura shoots .355 from beyond the arc, but the reason that number is that low is because he failed to find his shot in the beginning of the season. In the playoffs, he shot .538- please don't call him a bad three point shooter. Barry was also a streak shooter, on some nights he would light you up while on others, he would make one out of five. Wesley and James shoot .383 and .386 respectively. Whoever said rookies can't shoot three's? Ben Gordon is spectacular from the arc and supposedly Head is pretty good at it as well. Padgett didn't play that much minutes for us anyway and nor was he given consistent minutes by Van Gundy. Some nights he'd get twenty while others he would get one. He just never had that big a spot on the rotation so I really don't think he will be missed. Plus, he's a bad defender- undersized for the four and too slow for the three. Who ever said Dawson wasn't negotiating with the other guys. It probably just so happens that him and Bowen were able to get a deal done faster than the other two. I agree with you- resigning Mutumbo and Barry are going to be pretty important. Grizzlies might be the winner of the division this offseason, but you can't say how they'll fair during the season. Remember, some players gel and some don't. Houston was a better team than them last year and didn't really need that much improvement other than getting a point and powerforward.</div> Yeah but when you're a good team, you shouldn't have to rely on a rookie to be you're best 3pt shooter. It's frustrating because there are players in summer league that are better than Bowen. I know Van Gundy likes the whole "Waterboy" effect, but the guy has NO OFFENSE. He plays decent defense, but not better than any other hustle player in the league. Oh yea, Jon Barry is far from a streaky shooter, not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs the guy shot 48% from 3pt arc. The guy averages for his career are 44% 3pt's. Sura shot 35% because he can't shoot 3's. Wesley and Mike James are definitley streaky. As far as Padgett, he will indeed be missed. The guy didn't play consistent minutes, but he hit 2 buzzard beaters for us last year. That's enough for me. Ryan Bowen is simply a garbage player. He's not worth resigning. He played his little heart out against Dallas, but he'll just be liability long term. His lack of talent on both offense and defense, will eventually haunt him and us.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Rock4life:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah but when you're a good team, you shouldn't have to rely on a rookie to be you're best 3pt shooter. It's frustrating because there are players in summer league that are better than Bowen. I know Van Gundy likes the whole "Waterboy" effect, but the guy has NO OFFENSE. He plays decent defense, but not better than any other hustle player in the league. Oh yea, Jon Barry is far from a streaky shooter, not just in the regular season, but in the playoffs the guy shot 48% from 3pt arc. The guy averages for his career are 44% 3pt's. Sura shot 35% because he can't shoot 3's. Wesley and Mike James are definitley streaky. As far as Padgett, he will indeed be missed. The guy didn't play consistent minutes, but he hit 2 buzzard beaters for us last year. That's enough for me. </div> I never said Head would be our best three point shooter, simply that he's a decent three shooter. Why can't you rely on a rookie to be a good three point shooter? I don't understand this, there were tons of rookies that were sick from the arc. Bowen's defense simply negates the offense, it doesn't matter that he doesn't have an offensive game. He's cheap, he's decent. What more can you expect? Alright, lets examine some Jon Barry stats here (in the playoffs he shot from beyond the arc)- 2-4, 4-6, 2-2, 0-2, 1-3, 2-2, 0-4. Two out of seven times he didn't make a single three. Meanwhile, one game he made one out of three. Thats 3 incompetent nights out of 7, I'd call that somewhat streaky. By the way, why are you linking streakiness to percentages? 35% isn't a bad average. And I already explained this earlier- the beginning of the season he was still trying to find his shot, but later on he turned deadly. Im agreeing with you that Wesley and James are streaky, but when it comes to three point specialists, there isn't one that isn't streaky. There always will be nights that he won't have his shot on. However, James doesn't just bring three point shooting, he gives energy, defense, and speed as well. On Padgett hitting buzzer beaters, can you guarantee to me that he's clutch and that another player on our team couldn't have done the same exact thing in those games? Theres tons of players on this team that contribute throughout the entire game while Padgett plays a couple minutes and hits a buzzer beater. I'd take the players that contribute to the team on a consistent basis. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ryan Bowen is simply a garbage player. He's not worth resigning. He played his little heart out against Dallas, but he'll just be liability long term. His lack of talent on both offense and defense, will eventually haunt him and us.</div> Oh, so now you're changing your argument? First wasn't it why Bowen was being signed before the other guys? Stick to your point. This isn't even long term- its just for two years. I personally don't care, he players a couple minutes, does his thing on the court, then the quarter is over. Stick back on topic next time.
I'm note sure that Padgett would come back. His stock has risen, and he could go for bigger offers from other teams. It's a do or die situraiton for him as far as money is concerned. If he resigns for little money in Houston, I think his minutes will drop severeely and he will never get the chance to proove what he has. From hisp oint of view, it would be good NOT to sign with the Rockets.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AznxBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">I never said Head would be our best three point shooter, simply that he's a decent three shooter. Why can't you rely on a rookie to be a good three point shooter? I don't understand this, there were tons of rookies that were sick from the arc. Bowen's defense simply negates the offense, it doesn't matter that he doesn't have an offensive game. He's cheap, he's decent. What more can you expect? Alright, lets examine some Jon Barry stats here (in the playoffs he shot from beyond the arc)- 2-4, 4-6, 2-2, 0-2, 1-3, 2-2, 0-4. Two out of seven times he didn't make a single three. Meanwhile, one game he made one out of three. Thats 3 incompetent nights out of 7, I'd call that somewhat streaky. By the way, why are you linking streakiness to percentages? 35% isn't a bad average. And I already explained this earlier- the beginning of the season he was still trying to find his shot, but later on he turned deadly. Im agreeing with you that Wesley and James are streaky, but when it comes to three point specialists, there isn't one that isn't streaky. There always will be nights that he won't have his shot on. However, James doesn't just bring three point shooting, he gives energy, defense, and speed as well. On Padgett hitting buzzer beaters, can you guarantee to me that he's clutch and that another player on our team couldn't have done the same exact thing in those games? Theres tons of players on this team that contribute throughout the entire game while Padgett plays a couple minutes and hits a buzzer beater. I'd take the players that contribute to the team on a consistent basis. Oh, so now you're changing your argument? First wasn't it why Bowen was being signed before the other guys? Stick to your point. This isn't even long term- its just for two years. I personally don't care, he players a couple minutes, does his thing on the court, then the quarter is over. Stick back on topic next time.</div> I have stuck by my assertion that I don't like signing Bowen. Oh yea, I'm glad you put those stats out on Jon Barry. You just reconfirmed that he is a great 3pt shooter, he shot 48% in the playoffs. Some players will NEVER shoot that good in they're whole careers. I agree that other people can contribute, but we still have HUGE holes on the team. For one, 3pt shooting is going to be a problem. Another thing, who's going to back up Mcgrady. I'm sorry, when Tmac goes out of the game, I want somebody that can bring atleast a little offense. People seem to think we're ok at the guard positions, I disagree. Sura will wear down as the season goes by. James will bring some energy, but his decision making is always a problem. Head is a question mark. Not to mention that we have NO real shooting guard. Wesley plays SG, but his height is always a problem. Scotty "The Body" Padgett could have been a very important part of the team this season. He's a up around 40% from 3pt arc, and for a PF, that can be deadly. I think what your mistaking Sura, James, and Wesley. They're not 3pt shooters, they're scorer's. Every team needs shooters (Padgett, Barry, etc....) My point is that signing Bowen was totally unnecessary. There are plenty of players BETTER than Bowen that can do the same thing at a HIGHER level in summer league. If we can't sign Barry or Mutumbo and get rid of Wesley for a real SG, then the chances are we'll be back in the lottery next season. Right now Memphis is making major moves, by aquiring Bobby Jackson, and potentially getting Stoudamire, they can run circles around our guards. We need to make some moves!
