OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    Nikki Haley Desperately Tries to Walk Back Comment on Alabama Embryo Ruling
    As hospitals across Alabama pause IVF treatments, Nikki Haley is suddenly trying to claim she never said what she said.

    Former South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley is frantically trying to quell the controversy over comments she made about IVF after an Alabama court’s recent ruling that frozen embryos are children.

    “We don’t want fertility treatment to shut down, we don’t want them to stop doing IVF treatment, we don’t want them to stop doing artificial insemination,” Haley said on CNN on Thursday. “But I think this needs to be decided by the people in every state. Don’t take away the rights of these physicians and these parents to have these conversations.”

    It was Haley’s second such attempt to explain away her controversial stance on the issue. On Wednesday evening, Haley blurted out a much more gibberish response.

    “Well first off all, this is, again, I didn’t say that I agreed with the Alabama ruling. The question that I was asked is, ‘Do I believe an embryo is a baby?’” Haley said on CNN Wednesday evening. “I do think that if you look in the definition, an embryo is considered an unborn baby. And so yes, I believe, from my stance, that that is.”

    But calling an embryo—the stage before the microscopic cellular mass is labeled a fetus—an unborn baby is not exactly correct.

    In Handmaid’s Tale–esque fashion, Haley has tried to toe the line on the issue of third-party fertility in a futile effort to keep voters from turning away from her floundering campaign, even though she conceived her son via artificial insemination.

    Last week, the Alabama Supreme Court decided that embryos created through in vitro fertilization would be protected under the Wrongful Death of a Minor Act, effectively classifying single-celled, fertilized eggs as children. The decision has spelled certain doom for IVF clinics across the state, three of which have already announced that they will no longer be offering the procedure for fear of being hit with wrongful death suits.

    So when Haley initially claimed that embryos “are babies” and that she could see where the court was “coming from” on the issue, people were stunned.

    “Embryos, to me, are babies,” Haley told NBC News. “When you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that’s a life. And so I do see where that’s coming from when they talk about that.”

    https://newrepublic.com/post/179228/nikki-haley-walk-back-comment-alabama-embryo-ruling
     
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    The Heritage Foundation, which is crafting policy for a potential second Trump administration, has stated conservatives must put an end to recreational sex and use of birth control. Christopher Ruffo, who invented hysteria over critical race theory taught in schools (it isn't) said purpose of sex is to make babies within hetero marriage.
    https://jill.substack.com/p/the-conservative-war-on-sex
     
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    This stuff is insane. From a theistic perspective, it makes no sense to claim that sex is only, solely for procreation. If one believes that God exists and created all things, then one must naturally also believe that God created sex, and that God intended for it to be pleasurable (since it clearly is), and that God intended it to increase closeness and intimacy between a couple (which it clearly does). It does not logically follow that something He created to be intensely enjoyable and intimate should only be undertaken for a strictly utilitarian purpose.
     
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    There is no way to end recreational sex but they emphasize ending consequences free sex. And who should have consequences? Do I need to ask? When there is no birth control or abortion? No social programs for families and children?

    Also, 100 Republican members of Congress have just submitted a letter to FDA trying to "investigate" prenatal screening.
     
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    After Dobbs decision, Speaker Pelosi brought out a bill to codify in vitro fertilization remains legal. Republicans voted it down. Now they are all rushing to say they support IVF while not passing any actual law.
    IVF is expensive and time consuming so a woman needs money or very good health insurance and ability to take time off work. Result, it's used by well off mostly white women. Would Republicans begin to care if poor women want to have children?
     
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    A 10 year old does not have a woman's body.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    He does if he takes his little shovel to the graveyard and starts digging.

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    This sounds like the voice of experience speaking.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    We've all been that 10-year-old though, right?

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    No. Not one of you could have had the experience of being raped and impregnated age 10 and then have state government tell you they will force you to carry to term.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko Staff Member Global Moderator

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    You are of course correct, and I wasn't suggesting otherwise.

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    Get out your hankies. Kellyanne Conway is personally offended that Vice president Harris visited a Planned Parenthood clinic.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/03/19/arizona-lawmaker-abortion-speech/

    Arizona state senator Eva Burch was pleasantly surprised to learn she was pregnant, but at the same time concerned. She had two healthy children but had also had several miscarriages and one nonviable fetus so was considered high risk. Unfortunately it happened again; she learned the fetus was not viable and would not be a live birth. She decided her best option was to terminate her pregnancy but at the time of her speech before stare senate was still pregnant, due to hoops Arizona forces women to jump through.

    Although her doctor had already performed an ultrasound. the law requires a second, medically unnecessary ultrasound. A normal ultrasound involves a wand passed over the abdomen but Arizona law requires a transvaginal ultrasound, in which the wand is forced into the vagina all the way to the cervix, a painful and invasive procedure -which is the point. Ironically transvaginal ultrasound is not recommended during pregnancy except in unusual cases as it can precipitate a miscarriage. Women have compared it to mechanical rape. Senator Burch said with all her support she still found it traumatic and wondered how a woman who had been raped would react. In fact, clinic workers have said the forced mechanical rape has sent rape victims into full flashback, screaming, sobbing and fighting, having to be held down, which is especially traumatic. Like I said, that's the point.

    After the mechanical rape, the provider was forced by law to read a lecture written by male Republican legislators with no medical knowledge. It contained flat out factually incorrect statements and a lot of the assumptions misogynists make about women seeking abortion. First and foremost that women are too stupid to know what pregnancy is and have to have it mansplained to us. The lecture included a long spiel about the benefits of parenting or adoption as opposed to abortion. Senator Burch had wanted to parent her child but it was not going to happen. The lecture also tells women that if they parent the father is obligated to provide support. The father in this case was her lawful husband who would have been happy to support the child except there was not going to be a child.

    After all this she had to wait a state mandated 72 hours to "change her mind".

    All this is not enough for the Republican party which wants to force every woman and barely pubescent girl to carry to term. Even if there will never be a child.

    Meanwhile, anti woman groups are posting messages on Tik Tok, Instagram, and other social media directed to women in teens and early 20s trying to persuade them to stop using birth control pills or IUDs, claiming, falsely, that these safe and reliable methods of birth control will make them sterile (they won't) or give them cancer (they don't). Telling them to use so called rhythm method, a highly unreliable method of guessing when a woman is least likely to be fertile. Not only is it unreliable, it ignores that women and girls are coerced, pressured or forced into sex at all time in their cycles.

    Take away birth control and ban abortion. Punish the sluts.
     
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    I wrote Arizona law not nasty enough for woman haters.

    State Supreme Court just ruled state could enforce 1864 law banning all abortion. Law dates from when before Arizona was a state, before the Civil War, before women had the right to vote.

    You know, back when America was great.
     
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    This same legislature in 1864 passed laws declaring interracial marriage null and void, setting age of marriage for girls at ten, and prohibiting any Black, Asian, Native American or mixed race person from testifying against any white person in a court of law.
     
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