Romney tells millionaires what he really thinks of Obama voters

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    Um, the majority of those polled with incomes under $45k (which the IRS says is the point at which most--not all-- pay no income taxes) said they voted for Obama? :dunno: And the more that you qualify for federal aid, the more inclined a voter was to vote for Obama.
     
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    You haven't been very successful at it, keep trying.

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    So what about that upsets you? People tend to vote in their own self-interest, and 47% of voters pay no federal income tax. I think the real take-away of making this a big deal is to actually inform the public just how large our free-loader country has gotten under the Obama presidency.
     
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    He said 47% will vote for him regardless, which is to say that a good majority of people will vote their party regardless, and there's a small percentage in the middle who will not. And I understand, those are the people he needs to and wants to target. Have no problem with that. But saying the 47% who will vote forhim regardless pay no income tax is saying that the 47% which are democrats who will vote regardless pay no income tax. In the link you provided, only 38% of all voters fell below that income threshhold. Obama did not get all of those votes, and even if it was 100% in his favor, it owul dnot have equaled the 47%.
     
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    Gotcha. He's mixing stats. I think the "facts" are that there are 47% of registered voters who are D's and will vote for the D candidate overwhelmingly, and that Romney's targeting the independents like you said. The IRS (I'll dig up the link) put out that in 2010, iirc, 47% of returns filed had no income tax due (and $45k was right the point where people started paying taxes, depending on one's deductions). So you're right: I disagree with him that the 47% registered D's who will vote for him are 1-for-1 the 47% who pay no taxes. However, I don't think it's wrong to say that the high majority of those non-income-tax-paying 47% are a subset of the 47% of those will vote for him regardless.

    Edit: IRS said 45%.
     
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    I don't think that's a fact, although maybe it is a "fact". Wikipedia say 31% D, 27% R, 40% I as of 2011.

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    I'd go with "fact", sure. ;)
     
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    Crazy, the economy is struggling. Yet, the poor people want Obama re-elected. You'd think it'd be the other way around.
     
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    Not being argumentative: why would you say that? I'd imagine people who are receiving money and other help from the government without either paying taxes or having to work (and note, I'm not saying that everyone making under 45k falls into that category, but there's a large block of voters who do) will continue to vote for the candidate who'll promise not to take it away, no matter how much it's costing.
     
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    Democrats look out for the middle class. Republican's like to line the pockets of those that are already rich.
     
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    The middle class shouldn't need food stamps. Someone's redefining what is middle class.
     
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    Strenghten the middle class and they won't. Sending their jobs to China and India and there'll be a lot more food stamps going around.
     
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    2 years of democrats controlling both houses of congress and the white house. $800B in stimulus money spent. About $800B in TARP money spent. The banks got vast sums of money and they bought other banks. The people got foreclosed on by the millions each year.

    But yeah, those Democrats sure watch out for the middle class. Give 'em food stamps on their way down!
     
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    You twist stuff to the way you want to see it. Be fair and balanced. If foreclosures are something that happened overnight than you'd be onto something. Snowballs roll down hill and get bigger and bigger before they come to a stop.
     
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    http://money.msn.com/mutual-fund/article.aspx?post=09d90714-2402-4772-a6c5-86d2af7ccaed

     
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    So let me get this straight... I "twist" the actual facts somehow, and then you post "it's bush's fault" propaganda? What did Bush do, exactly? He pushed for lower income people to be able to buy homes and join the middle class.

    How does this fit your theory?
     
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    Thats not propaganda, its reality. If you really think things were peachy keen when Bush left office you're delusional.
     
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    They weren't peachy keen when Clinton left office or when Carter left office, either.

    Presidents inherit recessions - it's their job to deal with them.

    Regardless, consider the HUGE sums of money spent and where the middle class stands today. Add in another $3T in money the Fed printed to hide massive deficit spending as well.
     
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    Question for you:

    Was the economy better when Clinton left office, or Bush?

    No, other words needed, just pick one of the names above.
     
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    About the same.
     
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