Romney tells millionaires what he really thinks of Obama voters

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  1. donkiez

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    To me, what Mother Jones think is a "gotcha", I think is an opportunity. This election should be about big things. What's bigger than the idea of the dependency society vs. the opportunity society?
     
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    Always and forever! Although Im not a big fan of cats..... more of a dog person.
     
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    Obama seems to think that the way to run an economy is to quadruple down on what Bush did. So sue me if I'm 4x as pissed now as I was when Bush was in office :)
     
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    Eastoff But it was a beginning.

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    And here you have the crux of the election: The right wants to talk about large issues (debt, deficit, opportunity vs. dependency, projecting strength vs. leading from behind, etc.) and the left wants to talk about small issues: Mitt Romney's tax returns, contraception, perceived racism, etc. Gee, I wonder why the left doesn't want to talk about the large issues facing this country?
     
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    Tea Party Gets Subsidies from Tax Payers on Their Personal Farms
    ABC reports 23 members of Congress receive huge subsidies (free money) from the US government

    The Winners are: Representative Stephen Fincher from Tennessee- his occupation is Farmer, he received 3 million dollars in farm subsidies to himself and his family between 1995 to 2009.

    Michele Bachmann also receives a big chunk of free money in government subsidies on her farm. Michele Bachmann and her husband received $ 251,973.00 dollars between 1995-and 2006. Bachmann takes “Socialized Money” although she is against health care for all Americans.

    Iowa State Senator Chuck Grassley is another man on the welfare dole and who gets free government subsidies.Grassley received over $ 283,000.00 of free government money for his farm subsidy in Butler county.

    Chuck Grassley’s son Robin got over $ 654,000.00 during the same time frame 1995-2005.

    Sam Brownback takes welfare payments or free money on his farm. Brownback received over $ 50,000.00 in farm subsides of Tax payers dollars.

    Brownback’s father and brother received $605,000.00 for their farm in Linn County, Kansas.

    Senator Gordon Smith Republican from Oregon collected $47,000.00 since 1995 for their Smith Frozen Foods farm in Umatilla County, Oregon.

    Senator Richard Lugar a Republican of Indiana who is also on the Senate Agriculture Committee cashed checks worth $ 18,000.000 for soybean, corn and wheat on his Stock farm in Marion County since 1995.


    http://www.sodahead.com/united-stat...ot-calling-the-kettle-black/question-1688505/
     
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    First, several of those people aren't "Tea Partiers". Second, agricultural subsidies should be abolished. Most people in the Tea Party would agree.
     
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    I thought I already directly responded to the statement in that quote in another thread, I'm sorry if I didn't do a good job. I thought I shouldn't ignore the other point(s) raised in your quote as well.
     
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    From the Libertarian POV:

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2012/09/18/the_democrats_fake_freedoms_115470.html


    Fluke's sense of entitlement and her casual resort to the use of force made her an ideal speaker for last week's Democratic National Convention, where she was joined by many others who believe justice requires that they receive whatever they want (including automaker bailouts and cheap student loans), even if other people have to pay for it. This mentality is so pervasive among Democrats that they seem unable to distinguish between defending rights and soliciting subsidies.

    (more really good stuff at the link)
     
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    I think that's Romney's point of view as well. It didn't used to be that way, and we should hope it's not that way in the future.
     
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    I see it as the left wanting to build or society stonger from the foundation, meaning the people. Rebalancing our budget by prioritizing our people over other unessary expenses. I see the right practicing voter suppression, talking about birth certificates and college records, working against budget issues and blaminng the president, useing skewed out of context stats of the persidents term, and limiting my rights and choices with religious and social and security and economic policies.
     
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    same reason why the right condemned a draft dodger, pot smoking womanizer, and then ripped on two guys who actually went to Vietnam (as much as they did, it was still closer to Vietnam than Texas), who weren't drunks or into drugs when it suited their needs.

    These aren't long term goals for the R's, they pick whatever issues seem relevant at the moment.

    If you all the sudden from the mindset of "he's a coward because he skipped out on the draft" to "well, your guy might've served but we don't need to brag about it (because our guy has a spotty military record)", I kind of think you're not too concerned about certain issues.

    Especially when these issues werent of major concern from 2000-2008
     
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    I challenge you to look at the funding levels allocated as part of the Chicago conference for Afghanistan going forward. I think it'll show that your link is incorrect.
     
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    The problem with this statement, as I see it, is that people making it typically mean "the people" to be everyone except the rich. Whether you like it or not, the wealthy in this country (or any capitalist country) are essential to building anything. Without money, you can't build squat. You can propose policies that take money from the wealthy in the form of higher taxes, but there comes a tipping point in taxation where there's a declining willingness to make the risky investments needed for companies to grow and hire more people. We can debate where that point is exactly, but it would be nice if you could at least see some recognition of the risk expressed in the Democratic platform.

    The tea partiers would agree with your sentiment about reducing unnecessary expenses, although they'd probably disagree about which ones are unnecessary. The devil is in the details.

    I'm still not certain how asking for a minimum level of ID in order to prove that you're registered to vote constitutes a heinous suppression of the right to vote.

    Pot meet kettle. Democrats are still blaming Bush for today's problems and using out of context stats to do so. The President hasn't even proposed a budget and the Democrats in the Senate haven't shown any more willingness to work towards a budget compromise with the Republicans in the House than vice versa.

    It seems to me that whomever perceives one of their oxen being gored on either side feels the same way.

    I'm registered Independent because I can't stand at least some of the party lines on either side. What's really annoying, and ultimately destructive to our society, is that we seem to have reached a place where both sides can't seem to disagree with each other over policies without outright hatred being expressed. Politics is supposed to involve the art of compromise, but that art, or even the willingness to entertain the idea of compromise, seems to have been lost.
     

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