Ron Adams / Gar Forman - Fired over Tony Snell?

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    kukoc4ever Let's win a ring! Staff Member Moderator

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    I would love to understand better *exactly* how this works in the NBA with medical staff / management / coach. Who ultimately decides when a player takes the floor again. Not the head coach, right? My understanding is that medical staff and management will decide this. If they want to put a minutes restriction on a player, the coach should abide by it. Did we hear anything like that about Rose? If he can't play, he shouldn't be cleared to play.

    Now, during a game, how does this happen? If Rose takes the court, looks hobbled ( I vaguely remember this game), who makes the call? Does the medical personnel tell the head coach to pull him? Do they call management and they tell the coach? Does the coach have total authority?

    If Rose wasn't green-lit, I'm pretty sure Thibs would not have played him 22 minutes that night, right?
     
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    2010-11 was disappointing.

    2011-12, once Rose blew his knee was pretty much as I expected.

    2012-13 was a pleasant surprise.

    If this doesn't answer your question, ask away.
     
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    Thibs liking Bogans because he's a nice and jolly fellow is one reason he might have started him. It wasn't basketball reasons, because the guy outright sucked. If he was better than average, he would have put up a PER over 15, and (you focus on the fact he played...) would have played more than 18 minutes. If I remember right, he was among the worst 50 or 100 players in the league.

    Poor construction reared its ugly head when we struggled to beat Atlanta and Indy and then got swept by the Heat (after winning the first one).
     
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    I'm confident that Bogans's personality wasn't a factor. The notion is sort of silly.


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    His play on the court didn't justify the minutes.

    It must have been something along the lines I suggested.
     
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    Pretty much agree, although for 2010-2011 it was a very tight series in terms of who was favored to win it. Miami was favored to win 2 of the 5 games (their home games). The point spreads indicate that the series was pretty much a jump ball, with Miami being the slightly better team and home court dictating who the favorite was.

    Usually the team with the most dominant top players wins a NBA playoff series and history won't consider Rose's Bulls losing to the Lebron/Wade Heat to be much of a surprise.

    At the end of that playoff series it seemed to me that the better NBA team had won and that the Bulls needed a 2nd guy to create a shot against elite defensive players under playoff intensity. Basically, their top guy could shut down our top (and only) big shot creator/taker/maker when it counted.

    In the end, an ECF appearance and losing to Lebron and Wade is a pretty tough playoff run to label as a "disappointment."
     
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    It's funny. I've been called bad names by folks I consider negative Bulls fans when I said that I felt that the 2011 Bulls-Heat playoff series was very closely fought. They insisted that it was a blowout ("4-1 says it all"). Anyway, the Bulls had earned HCA and I expected them to win that series. I'll always look at it as a disappointment.

    I didn't put it on Thibodeau though...I tend not to assign a lot of blame or credit to NBA head coaches.
     
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    4-1 and 4 straight is convincing. It was Atlanta that was hard fought.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    The Atlanta series was tied 2-2. A series we should have dominated because they routinely made playoffs (at best) but weren't contenders. They were playing a rookie PG because their superstar PG was out for the series. We had the best record in the NBA. It was supposed to be a breeze.

    The Heat dominated in Q4 of the last 4 games. In the Finale, they ended the game on a 19-2 run.

    But yeah, it was hard fought.
     

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