Rondo > Rose (says his shirt)

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  1. huevonkiller

    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    Oh and you would know this how? Youtube generation. :wub:

    The issue is you haven't presented one relevant point in this entire debate.

    1) I said players have different roles on these olympic teams. What exactly have you disproven?
    2) You're defending Allen Iverson percentages, as Michael Jordan percentages.
    3) You cited team point differential, what does this have to do with Jordan's individual contributions?
    4) He either did not care about getting to the paint or didn't feel he had to (look at point #1), or Barkley was better.
    5) Sample size? Yes what is your point about sample size? It is easily possibly for a Superstar player to look inferior over such a small sample size.
    6) Oh, MJ was at 50% on two pointers? Chuck was at 70%. On such a low usage rate he should have been much higher. That's part of the usage-efficiency tradeoff that basketball-reference mentions.
    7) Barkley fit onto this team better, because at such a low amount of possessions he was better able to alter his game.
    8) I have high standards for MJ, I consider this type of production beneath him. It is a compliment really.


    So basically in the end, their points per shot is the same? Ok, great for me. :ghoti:

    Thanks this is basically my point, but you're too busy defending Jordan randomly to notice it. And they don't give the Finals MVP to the player who is normally better.

    Judging people by small sample size, is usually a bad idea. So go back a bit in this thread to the guy that mentioned team usa accomplishments. That was just silly to me.
     
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    You have mentioned that Jordan had a poor 1992 Olympics and silly things like "Jordan ... struggled in the paint in the Olympics."

    This isn't true. Hence, any further conclusions that you try to based upon your 'facts' draw are mute.

    It's as simple as that.
     
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    huevonkiller Change (Deftones)

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    He had an eFG% of 47%. Which is at or just below all of Kobe's seasons.

    On a lower volume, without getting to the paint as much. Yes for his standards, he can do much better than that.



    Well he's a mid 40s mid-range jump shooter, and he shoots close to 70% in the paint. What exactly would you draw from this? It really isn't that hard to figure out.
     
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    Two words: Sample size.
     
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    so how does Rondo getting cut from this year's world championship squad factor into the argument. sure seems like a point for Rose since he pretty much ran the show against the best competition they are going to face on Sunday...
     
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    ^ He didn't get cut, he left the team himself.
     
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    LOL
     
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    ^ Rondo >>> Rose

    LOL all you can. ;)
     
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    Forget Rose, I think we might need to start asking if Rondo is even better than Hinrich. Hinrich made and started for a world championships squad.... ;-)
     
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    Rondo started for an NBA championship squad.
     
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    why do you hate the bulls denny?
     
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    Derek Fisher has started for 5.
     
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    Coach K didn't think so.
     
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    I think neither Fisher or Hinrich are even close to either Rose or Rondo in terms of ability or performance.
     
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    Scroll up.

    "Thanks this is basically my point, but you're too busy defending Jordan randomly to notice it. And they don't give the Finals MVP to the player who is normally better.

    Judging people by small sample size, is usually a bad idea. So go back a bit in this thread to the guy that mentioned team usa accomplishments. That was just silly to me. "
     
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    If that's your point, I don't see what it has to do with the debate. The coaches didn't decide he would have a small role on the team or no role.
     
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    Coach K not giving him minutes or asking him to do different things is exactly what this discussion is about. People have different roles on national teams. FIBA is completely irrelevant from what they do in the NBA. And I showed you that on the Dream Team. No one cares if you're upset with Barkley, the Finals MVP is also a small sample size.

    If he's so special he'll outplay Rondo in the NBA, and throughout his career.
     
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    Stats over 8 games have a huge random factor. As can be seen by Barkley at 70% and Jordan at 20% from 3.

    The coaches picked Rose over Rondo because they thought Rose would best help them win. This isn't the same. MJ got the starts and the minutes played. The coaches also thought MJ gave them the best chance to win.

    So your analogy doesn't hold any water. It doesn't matter if you think you are supporting MJ.

    No shit. But we are speculating now.
     
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    Head to head in 2009 in the playoffs:

    Game One
    Rose 12-19 FG, 12-12 FT, 4 REB, 11 AST, 5 TO, 36 PTS
    Rondo 12-21 FG, 4-4 FT, 9 REB, 7 AST, 1 TO, 29 PTS

    Game Two
    Rose 5-11 FG, 0-0 FT, 6 REB, 7 AST, 2 TO, 10 PTS (Ben Gordon went 14-24 for 42 points)
    Rondo 7-18 FG, 5-8 FT, 12 REB, 16 AST, 5 STL, 2 TO, 19 PTS

    Game Three
    Rose 4-14 FG, 1-3 FT 3 REB, 2 AST, 2 STL, 1 TO, 9 PTS
    Rondo 8-15 FG, 3-4 FT, 11 REB, 6 AST, 5 STL, 2 TO, 20 PTS

    Game Four
    Rose 10-17 FG, 3-4 FT, 11 REB, 9 AST, 7 TO, 23 PTS
    Rondo 9-18 FG, 7-9 FT, 11 REB, 11 AST, 2 STL, 1 TO, 25 PTS

    Game Five
    Rose 7-16 FG, 0-0 FT, 8 REB, 6 AST, 3 STL, 6 TO, 14 PTS
    Rondo 12-22 FG, 2-4 FT, 8 REB, 11 AST, 2 STL, 4 TO, 28 PTS

    Game Six
    Rose 12-25 FG, 4-6 FT, 8 REB, 7 AST, 5 TO, 28 PTS
    Rondo 4-17 FG, 0-2 FT, 9 REB, 19 AST, 0 TO, 8 PTS

    Game Seven
    Rose 9-18 FG, 0-0 FT, 4 REB, 3 AST, 3 TO, 18 PTS
    Rondo 2-8 FG, 3-6 FT, 5 REB, 11 AST, 3 STL, 2 BLK, 4 TO, 7 PTS

    The bolded lines are the higher scorer between the two. Generally, those are also which player had the better game. Rondo did come close to a triple double in game six with 19 assists.

    Rondo kinda disappeared after the flagrant foul in game 6.
     

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