I don't think James and Anthony can both bcome co-ROY because it's the votes that count but it would be really nice to see them both as ROY.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with co-rookies but you guys say Carmelo got The Nuggets into the playoffs they barely made it,im not saying that matters but they sliped in the playoffs.</div> yea but last year as you may remember the suns barly slipped into the playoffs but that was enough to swing the R.O.Y polls over to amara and not yao because the rockets didnt make it so that really does matter espcially considering that its the western conference
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with co-rookies but you guys say Carmelo got The Nuggets into the playoffs they barely made it,im not saying that matters but they sliped in the playoffs. </div> They're 9 games ahead of the Cavs overall.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting B-22:</div><div class="quote_post">I agree with co-rookies but you guys say Carmelo got The Nuggets into the playoffs they barely made it,im not saying that matters but they sliped in the playoffs.</div> They may have barely slipped in, but they play in the west, and in the toughest confrence. In the east they would be in position to get the 4th spot, whereas LeBron's team didn't even make the playoffs in the east. Though Carmelo definitely does have the better supporting cast, I still believe Cleveland should have been able to make it over Boston. LeBron still does have some quality supporters in Boozer, McInnis (well I guess he got injured, but every team has gone through injuries this season), and Z. I give Carmelo the upper hand for ROY.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Phreeze:</div><div class="quote_post">Though Carmelo definitely does have the better supporting cast, </div> DOES he have the better supporting cast? I beg to differ. Compare them: Bron has Ilguaskas at center, and Melo has Camby. Ilgauskas is undoubtedly the better center. Not quite the rebounder and shot blocker Camby is, but a much better passer and low post scorer. Bron has Boozer at pf, who is much better than Nene. He's averaging 15 and 11, which is far and away better than Nene's numbers, almost double them. And Bron has Jeff McInnis, who isn't much worse than Andre Miller. Miller gets a lot of undue credit just because, while with Cleveland, he led the league in assists. Their current numbers aren't that different. What Melo does have is an edge in the shooting guard/small forward position, where he has Lenard and Barry compared to Lee Nailon and Ira Newble. But Bron also has a much better bench to draw upon, with Wagner, Bremer, Eric Williams, and Tony Battie all able to put up big numbers off the bench, whereas Melo only has Earl Boykins and Rodney White as serious contributors off the pine. So I would argue that they have similar supporting casts, or if anything Bron has a stronger supporting cast. Still, I would give them co-ROY simply because they've shown similar specular seasons. Both had season highs of 41 points, Melo has a higher average in points and rebounds besides playing less, and Bron is averaging 2 1/2 more assists per game than Melo.
Whoever says it should be shared it's a bandwagon Bron fan , I have nothing against him but Melo obviously deserves it more than him , I mean people said Camby was a bust..but now he is better than Boozer? lol..and Nene better than Z??? give me a break , even T-Mac said Melo for ROY since like 3 months ago or more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">Whoever says it should be shared it's a bandwagon Bron fan , I have nothing against him but Melo obviously deserves it more than him , I mean people said Camby was a bust..but now he is better than Boozer? lol..and Nene better than Z??? give me a break , even T-Mac said Melo for ROY since like 3 months ago or more.</div> I agree with some of the stuff you said. I dont agree that you have to be a bandwagon fan to think LBJ is rookie of the year. He has brought alot of excitement to the league. And exceed expecation. But I do agree with the point you made about the supporting cast Melo has. I mean people have to start be serious for a minute. Nene is a raw power forward/center with limited offense skills. Marcus Camby is an underachieving bigman who was run out of New York for being so soft. Voshun Lernard has been a jorney man for the last 2 or 3 seasons. And Ardre Milller hasnt been a winner in his NBA career until this season. But if you let some people tell it Melo is running up & down the court with a hall a fame lineup. For the most part Denver is made up of a bunch of NBA cast offs. Yet they seem to be in the playoffs in the hardest conference in the NBA. I think people need to start giving Melo a little bit more credit for leading them there. This past week Melo stepped his game up during the most crucial part of the NBA season.
It's strange how everybody is now saying the Cavs have good players...just last year, they had practically the same squad and they couldn't win a game (granted the addition of mcinnis and the development of boozer has helped a ton)... with that said, I agree that it could go either way...You can make a great argument for both players...
I think if neither team made the playoffs, or if they both made it, to me RoY would clearly be LeBron. As it stands, it's much tougher to call...
You know how you can vote for the 03-04 rookie of the year on nba.com. Well the word you have to type in to vote is "technical" but it isnt workign irght now? is it just my computer or are you guys having the same problem? I'm upset because this is the most important category for me.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting notMuchgame:</div><div class="quote_post">It's strange how everybody is now saying the Cavs have good players...just last year, they had practically the same squad and they couldn't win a game (granted the addition of mcinnis and the development of boozer has helped a ton)... with that said, I agree that it could go either way...You can make a great argument for both players...</div> Actually I felt they were the biggest underachievers in a while last year. They have one of the best, if not the best center in the east, and has a solid PF. I guess you could say that Ricky Davis brought them down a little, but they certainly should have done better than 17-65 with that roster.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting the unstoppable:</div><div class="quote_post">Melo is winning the votes by alot right now. Melo is 63% and Bron is 34%. It should stay like that.</div> I'm guessing you're talking about the NBA.com fan votings, because thats about what the percentages are there. Those really have nothing to do with the ROY because that award is chosen by the media. I am one of the ones who voted for Carmelo though, and its probably unlikely but I hope he wins it.
I dont like Carmelo... King James should win it.... but i think if M. Daniels was given more time to play at the beginning of the season he could be a top candidate for a rookie of the year...
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TMac_OwNz:</div><div class="quote_post">give me a break , even T-Mac said Melo for ROY since like 3 months ago or more.</div>Well thats not saying much. McGrady is known for running off his mouth to the media. However, you do make some good points. Midway through the season the award appeared to go to Lebron, easily. Now the tables have slightly turned. Melo has started playing his best basketball as of late- when it counts the most. He's helped carry the Nuggets to the playoffs and that is what a true rookie of the year would do. Lebron deserves some credit though. He's also helped turn his franchise around. The amount of pressure put on Lebron exceeded that of Carmelo. He answered the hype and put the Cavs back on the map. Stats don't determine ROY's, but you can't help but notice their stat lines. Lebron: 21, 5.9, 5.5 Carmelo: 21.1, 6.1, 2.8 They have both played beyond their years, and their future is unlimited. Melo appears to hold the edge due to his playoff situation, but I don't see how Lebron can get left out of this. They are both too good. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Player4Ever:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont like Carmelo... King James should win it.... but i think if M. Daniels was given more time to play at the beginning of the season he could be a top candidate for a rookie of the year...</div>Thanks for your opinion. Daniels isn't even in the same breath as Lebron & Melo.
Carmelo has had alot of help in the off-season to get his team where they are now at. However if you look at the stats Melo leads Lebron in points,rebounds,FG%, 3-point%, FT% although most of that are very close. I hope It is a co-ROY but If I had to choose one it would be Melo purely on his performances in the last month or two of the season where he has averaged close to 28 points per game. His team is in the playoffs in the tough western conference, the voters will take that very seriously when deciding the winner. I just hope the media don't play favourites here, It's no secret the media love to talk about Lebron and what he does every night. He is a very exciting player that pulls off amazing moves every night. No matter who the Cavs are playing the shows on ESPN will show him, thats the way it has been all season. Co-ROY's would be the best option but I was told by someone that the NBA no longer allows players to share the award. They got rid of it in 2002, or so I was told. Will have to wait and see. However I will say this, If Melo doesn't get it you know he is going to be very angry which may not bold well for the team the Nuggets face in the post season.
You guys got to remember that the fact that Nuggets reached playoffs shouldn't count really, Cavs would also made it if McInnis wasn't hurt. It's the game, it's basketball. Co-Rookies would be fair, but I mean that LeBron is deserving it more, even thought Melo is damn close. If you looks at starting lineup for the teams, Cavs has a better one than Nuggets, but Nuggets got better reserves. I know you guys think that Eric Williams, Ira Newble, Dajuan Wagner, Tony Battie and Kedrick Brown is a good reserve lineup if you look at last years ratings, but we're talking about this season. And then it's totally different. Eric Williams have been in a "slump" since the all-star break, Ira Newble is only defense, Dajuan Wagner got knee-problems, and isn't able to score and play like he used to, Tony Battie usually steps good up from the bench, but he's not to good and Kedrick Brown is also very much defense, and don't really get the playtime he deserves, but he don't use it to good either. What I'm saying is, the Cavs bench is not as good as you guys belive, it dosn't score enough and it won't get the playtime because of that. And the guys who miss Nailon, he's in the starting now. Bron for ROY.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting DajuanWagner#2:</div><div class="quote_post">You guys got to remember that the fact that Nuggets reached playoffs shouldn't count really, Cavs would also made it if McInnis wasn't hurt. It's the game, it's basketball. Co-Rookies would be fair, but I mean that LeBron is deserving it more, even thought Melo is damn close. If you looks at starting lineup for the teams, Cavs has a better one than Nuggets, but Nuggets got better reserves. I know you guys think that Eric Williams, Ira Newble, Dajuan Wagner, Tony Battie and Kedrick Brown is a good reserve lineup if you look at last years ratings, but we're talking about this season. And then it's totally different. Eric Williams have been in a "slump" since the all-star break, Ira Newble is only defense, Dajuan Wagner got knee-problems, and isn't able to score and play like he used to, Tony Battie usually steps good up from the bench, but he's not to good and Kedrick Brown is also very much defense, and don't really get the playtime he deserves, but he don't use it to good either. What I'm saying is, the Cavs bench is not as good as you guys belive, it dosn't score enough and it won't get the playtime because of that. And the guys who miss Nailon, he's in the starting now. Bron for ROY.</div> Come on , I know you're a cavs fan I understand but ..It's not just "making it" . They would've barely made it with a losing record(<.500) in the BIG EASY(East) , while the Nuggets did make it with a winning record in the WILD WILD WEST(West)(not to mention over 2 teams that have been going to the playoffs for more than 2 decades with all stars(AK47) , Most Improved Players Contenders(Zach) just to name a few..). What was their record in the half season? when the other guys weren't in a slump or had other problems?
i vote for Carmelo based on where his team is now. Hes humble and does his job. Lebron is humble too but melo is in the playoffs in the west. that should be clase closed there.
