<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheHighness:</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't give a 1st rounder for Darko whether it's protected or not, He is the laughing stock of the league and has done nothing to merit a #1 pick. Even Pistons fans make fun of him (I live in michigan) I didn't like this trade before I knew we were giving a #1 I definatly don't like it now. On top of this Arroyo has already made it clear that he does not want to come to Orlando.</div> Really? I remember 2 offseasons ago he wanted to come to Orlando because he's from around here. I guess that was when we had Tmac and he wanted to play with him as well.
Here is what one piston fan on another forum said (Realgm.com) Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please take Darko. We will accept Amway products in return.
This trade on paper would be very good for us, but looking at it from a teams point of view, we have enough pgs and we have kusan who is just a bigger version of darko. I understand we would be getting rid of Cato and his contract for 2 guys that can help us, but what we really need is a good sg out of this. stevenson is playing hurt and needs some backup or even a someone to come in and start. i think this trade would put us with more players than we have time for.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheHighness:</div><div class="quote_post">Here is what one piston fan on another forum said (Realgm.com) Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:32 pm Post subject: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please take Darko. We will accept Amway products in return.</div> looooool, that's a funny one
Depending on the conditions of the draft pick, I would entertain this offer to land Arroyo and Milic. Here's why... The Magic have a few years to tinker with players because their franchise player, Dwight Howard is still very young. The Magic can evaluate whether or not Darko and Arroyo compliment Howard. Best-case scenario they do, and you have two young, cheap talents alongside Howard. Worst-case scenario they don't, but they both still have trade value because of their contracts and youth. Kelvin Cato does nothing for the Magic at this point. So using him to stockpile players with "potential" is beneficial for the Magic. We've all read the Magic are shopping Francis, and maybe him alone isn't enough to get a deal done, but adding Milic to the deal might tempt another team to bite. The goal right now should be experimenting with players who work with Howard, and then add one big missing piece when Grant Hill's contract expires.
HEre is a question I think you all should ask yourself. How many players in the NBA who have failed to average at least 2 PPG in their first 3 seasons have actually turned out to become decent players? I honestly cannot think of one right now. Darko Milicic is a bust.
Darko is the biggest bust ever I would rather wait for Fran Vasquez (or draft a pf this year, Sheldon Williams or Tyrus Thomas would be good) and trade Cato and Fran (if we draft pf) for somone who can help us now.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GatorsowntheSEC:</div><div class="quote_post">Really? I remember 2 offseasons ago he wanted to come to Orlando because he's from around here. I guess that was when we had Tmac and he wanted to play with him as well.</div> Arroyo has a home in Florida, and his favorite player in the NBA is T-Mac. Anway, Darko sucks and is very overrated. I don't know...I feel Magic need a SG, they should do Arroyo Delfino for Cato and a first. They're both talented players who have to play limited minutes because they play behind two all stars in Billups and Hamilton. With that said, Orlando could use Delfino, he's a good defender...I don't know why they have show interest in him yet. Darko is not a center, he's a perimeter PF, like Chris Webber.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Detroit News - The Magic have been interested in acquiring point guard Carlos Arroyo and forward Darko Milicic. They are offering the Pistons a partially protected first-round pick and center Kelvin Cato, whose $8.5 million contract expires after this season. This trade, which is still being discussed, would have virtually no impact on the Pistons this season. Arroyo has been averaging less than 10 minutes for the past month or more, and that time might be cut further once Lindsey Hunter returns to game shape. Milicic is out of the rotation. The Pistons likely would waive Cato, who has been hurt all year. But, with the pick (which would be protected for the first five or seven picks) and the $8.5 million of salary cap relief, the Pistons would be addressing some long-term needs.</div> http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives..._to_talk_trade/ So the pick is protected between picks one through five or seven. I guess that's not as bad but I'm still not liking adding this pick in there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">Arroyo has a home in Florida, and his favorite player in the NBA is T-Mac. Anway, Darko sucks and is very overrated. I don't know...I feel Magic need a SG, they should do Arroyo Delfino for Cato and a first. They're both talented players who have to play limited minutes because they play behind two all stars in Billups and Hamilton. With that said, Orlando could use Delfino, he's a good defender...I don't know why they have show interest in him yet. Darko is not a center, he's a perimeter PF, like Chris Webber.</div> I don't understand how Darko is overrated. Basically there's been 30 posts in this thread completely bashing Darko. I wouldn't consider that overrated. I would be all for doing this trade without the 1st. I really hope we get it protected Top 10 or something like that. Who knows, maybe Darko can become something if given playing time.
This trade would be alot better if they threw in delfino he has alot of potential (still wouldn't be the best trade IMO)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2331049 On ESPN there saying that Orlando's trying to send their 2007 pick instead of this year's. That's probably better for the Pistons anyway, because that draft will be much better than this year's. If they put the right protection on that pick, I'd go for it. You're not really giving up too much, and you create a frontcourt thats just oozing with potential. I mostly want this trade to go down so I can see what Darko is capable of.
What is Joe Dumars smoking getting rid of Carlos Arroyo? Now he has only Lindsey Hunter who is pretty OLD as Chauncey (who is also Not young)'s backup point guard. I Don't get it.
I know i bashed darko yesterday, but i dont think it would be that bad. The man gets zero playing time behind, wallace and Mcdyess. Not to mention they never had to play him because they have been winning for the last 3 years. He didnt get a chance like everyone else does in this league. I think if he was drafted to denver or toronto things would be different. I guess we will have to wait and see. Secondly I agree with jose, lets try to get delfino, we have enough pgs on this team we really need a guy that can slash to the bucket. Delfino would be a good fit with this young team, plus he would get a good amount of mins here.
Supposedly the deal is done except for the draft pick. Detroit wants it either unprotected or top 3 protected, while the Magic want it Top 7 protected. I think they will compromise and make it top 3 or top 5 protected.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting phunDamentalz:</div><div class="quote_post">What is Joe Dumars smoking getting rid of Carlos Arroyo? Now he has only Lindsey Hunter who is pretty OLD as Chauncey (who is also Not young)'s backup point guard. I Don't get it.</div> Tayshaun Prince has taken over a lot of the ball handling responsibilities. The main reason for unloading Arroyo is to create more cap space. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NBA front-office sources told ESPN.com on Tuesday night that the Pistons and Orlando Magic were close to completing a long-discussed trade that would relocate Milicic, 2003's No. 2 overall pick, to central Florida. The trade could be completed as early as Wednesday, sources said, with only one potential snag. The sides, according to sources, are bartering over the extent of lottery protection Orlando would have on the first-round pick it has agreed to send Detroit along with center Kelvin Cato for Milicic and guard Carlos Arroyo. It's thought Orlando is seeking to retain this year's first-round pick -- and convey its 2007 first-rounder to Detroit instead -- if the Magic's pick winds up in the top seven of the June draft. The deal would collapse if the sides can't come to a resolution -- with Detroit looking to reduce Orlando's level of protection by a few spots -- but it's clear the Pistons have made the decision to move Milicic before the Feb. 23 trading deadline after giving him a chance to earn a rotation spot under new coach Flip Saunders. While Orlando continues to explore its Steve Francis trade options, this move would give Milicic a chance to play immediately alongside franchise forward Dwight Howard. It might also eventually give the Magic two highly touted but unproven European big men for its frontcourt rotation, with the Magic still hopeful they will have 2005 first-round pick Fran Vazquez (who controversially elected to play in Spain this season) in the near future. </div> Source
but it's clear the Pistons have made the decision to move Milicic before the Feb. 23 trading deadline after giving him a chance to earn a rotation spot under new coach Flip Saunders. This proves that he has had his chances with 2 nba coaches and has lost playing time to Dale Davis. Why would we send a lottery pick for him? He was overrated coming into the league and now he can't even be rated because he has been outplayed by Dale Davis. He will never be anything in the nba but the biggest bust ever.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting TheHighness:</div><div class="quote_post">This trade would be alot better if they threw in delfino he has alot of potential (still wouldn't be the best trade IMO)</div> Get out of here, Delfino is untouchable. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What is Joe Dumars smoking getting rid of Carlos Arroyo? Now he has only Lindsey Hunter who is pretty OLD as Chauncey (who is also Not young)'s backup point guard. I Don't get it.</div> Arroyo is garbage thats why. Though I agree another PG is needed and knowing Joe D he has another PG waiting in the wings. As long as the pick is a lottery pick then I guess the deal is ok. I hate the idea of the Pistons waiving Cato. He would really help in the playoffs against Shaq and Duncan.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">HEre is a question I think you all should ask yourself. How many players in the NBA who have failed to average at least 2 PPG in their first 3 seasons have actually turned out to become decent players? I honestly cannot think of one right now. Darko Milicic is a bust.</div> Samuel Dalembert had 1.5 points his first season then didn't play at all his next two. Thats basically the same as the Darko situation.
