Running 15th man thread

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  1. Scalma

    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Last offseason we kept everyone. Hindsight is great but none of those moves were that bad at the time. The most criticized one was? Crabbe? We are able to dump Crabbe, yet we did nothing to actually replace him. Meyers re-signing didn't affect cap space. Besides, you don't necessarily need cap space to improve a roster (not like anyone would come here anyway even if we had any.) We got Harkless for nothing. Could've easily made another move like that. Instead Olshey, uhh, signed Anthony Morrow?
     
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    Could be unless of course they make it into the second round or better? Then this off season was awesome!
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    I was all over that idiotic move of drafting Telfair at the time. We should have picked Al Jefferson.
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    And this off-season has been very good. I would have liked to get Paul George, but Melo can SUCK IT! Olshey hit it out of the park with his draft choices. We have a healthy Nurk and a healthy Big Ed. We are going to be hell for anybody to deal with us down low.
     
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    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Wait a minute... Did I just say down low?
     
  6. blue9

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    Agreed - last off season was pretty bad. The only good thing we did last off season was extend Harkless. Otherwise, last off season was worse than this off season.
     
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    My point was that the moves made in Summer '16 made it so there were no options for move in '17.
     
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    Would you say our team is better or worse with Crabbe on it?
     
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    Oh, I get it. Last summer we all knew we wouldn't have another crack at free agency for the foreseeable future.
     
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    With Crabbe? Better. I fail to see how a team can be better by cutting one of the best 3-point shooters in the league.
    I'm not upset about cutting Crabbe - but it certainly didn't make us a better team.
     
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    GrandpaBlaze Predictions Game Master

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    I will disagree. Crabbe got a lot of minutes as a very one-dimensional player. If we can get in the neighborhood with shooting by someone who can do more than just shoot, we are better.

    #NotACrabbeFan
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    :smiley-cough: Right on cue.
     
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    dviss1 Emcee Referee

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    Even Darius Miles said that.
     
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    Don't think it made us better, but I also don't think it made us worse.
     
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    I don't disagree. I get that it opens up opportunities for other players to step up...but it only creates a perception because of a coach's unwillingness to play an inexperienced player over an experienced player. All the players we have on the roster would still be on the roster had we not cut Crabbe. Ergo, we are worse because of the move.

    Also, while Crabbe was not a very good player, he was one of our least bad players. We are now hoping that Pat or Jake can play as well or better than Crabbe in order for the cut to not be negative. If neither Pat nor Jake play as well as Crabbe did last season, then it made us worse. Neither Biggie nor Collins are taking Crabbes SG/SF position...and even if they were, they'd still be on the team regardless of whether we cut/kept Crabbe.

    For better or worse, Crabbe was in the vicinity of our 5th best player last season - and we just cut that player without any return, and are hoping that last season's 10th-15th best player can replace our 5th best player.

    As I've said, I'm not a fan of Crabbe and am glad to be out from under his contract. But there's no way we're better after cutting him. It was purely financial. Screen Shot 2017-10-16 at 2.29.33 PM.png
     
  16. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    You are also assuming we will not use the TPE we got in the Crabbe trade, or use that open roster spot in some other way, to acquire a player capable of replacing Crabbe's production.

    BNM
     
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    Until it happens it hasn't happened. We'll see what it turns into...
    As for the open roster spot - Crabbe didn't create that. If we had Crabbe and wanted to create a roster spot that could be done fairly easily.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Not if we also wanted $12.9 TPE. That required "sacrificing" Crabbe.

    But, you're right, we don't know when, or if, Neil will use the TPE. It all depends on how the team is doing and who is available.

    I don't assume we will use it, but I don't assume we won't. It is a potential asset we would not have if we hadn't traded Crabbe. It remains to be seen if Olshey can turn that asset into something that helps the team more than Crabbe would have.

    BNM
     
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    If the 15th guy on your roster is ever the difference maker in a season you have issues.
     
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    Yeah, I was addressing those as two separate things. TPE is Crabbe-reliant, roster spot is not.
     
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