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  1. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    They think Jamal Murray can play the PG position since they run their offense through Jokic anyway.

    This (and the complete lack of rim protection) is why I think DEN is very overrated.

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  2. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    In addition to being their post offense, and their rebounding, Paul Millsap is their rim protection. And their perimeter defense. You know, he's one of only 3 players this decade to have over 130 blocks and 130 steals in the same season...
     
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  3. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, he had a monster year defensively two years ago. Last year, not so much. He set a career high in scoring, but also set career lows in several very important areas (TS%, TRB%, etc.). Millsap is almost 33 and based on advanced stats, seems to be declining rapidly.

    DEN will still be paying him $30 million a year when he is 36. I've always been a Millsap fan, but even I think that contract, in both dollars and length, is insane.

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    illmatic99 formerly yuyuza1

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    If these guys were waived and their salaries were replacement level, would they even get picked up by other teams?

    -Leonard
    -Vonleh
    -Pat
    -Jake
    -Napier

    Is this true with other teams in the league? Are the guys in rotation from 10-15 always this interchangeable? Like I'd take Gerald Green/Derrick Williams/Jameer Nelson/ Morrow/etc etc over all these guys. If we hadn't invested so much $ and practice/development time into them, they'd be gone.
     
  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    The fact that Pat's contract was non-guaranteed, but retained anyway, suggests that the FO thinks more highly of him.
     
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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    His contract was guaranteed. The only decision they had to make was to either pick up his option or not. If they didn't, he would've been a FA.
     
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    And off our books for this year. I didn't think they were going to keep him. I agree with Platypus, they obviously saw and liked what he was doing in practice.
     
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    Scalma Well-Known Member

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    Or the trade with New York didn't happen and he's still on the roster.

    How else can you explain delaying the decision a month? If they liked him there wouldn't have been doubt, especially considering how inexpensive he is.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    They left him non-guaranteed so that if he needed to be included in a trade, the receiving team would then have retained the option to waive him without consequence. They never planned on cutting him; only trading him if necessary.
     
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    That's who they will start. Murray and Harris in their back court. I'd try to move Muiday if I were their GM. I don't think he wants to come off the bench.
     
  11. Boob-No-More

    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    That starting backcourt is a disaster on defense, especially with no rim protection behind them to help erase their mistakes. At this point, DEN should just give up all pretense of playing defense and bring back Paul Westhead as their coach.

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    Good for us then. We'll see if he starts. It's not like Muiday is some world class defender anyway.
     
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    Boob-No-More Why you no hire big man coach?

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    Yep, the Harris/Murray backcourt pretty much sums up DEN in a nutshell - all offense, no defense.

    I know, I know, they added Paul Millsap and he was a great defender two seasons ago, but that was in a Spurs style defensive system surrounded by other excellent defenders. Millsap's defense really slipped last year. He is now almost 33 and doesn't have enough thumbs to plug all the holes in that leaky defense by himself.

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