OT Russia claims it can wipe out entire US Navy with a single ‘electronic bomb’

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  1. SlyPokerDog

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    But can the navy shoot down a biplane? Your refusal to answer this is very illuminating.
     
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    just drop free vodka on the Russians...create a diversion
     
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    The Russian have a much larger force, in terms of actual military personnel, tanks, artillery, oil production surplus, etc. In a conventional war without the tech, we're somewhat overwhelmed, no?

    We do have superiority in planes, helicopters, and navy (go navy!), but without smart munitions, how effective is that superiority?
     
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    Remember using a sextant and the book I am currently reading sort of comes together here.
    One of the early chapter in the Jack London tale of the Cruise of the Snark, is about learning the in and outs of celestial navigation.
    One section grabbed me especially, since I went through the pain of learning the pitfalls almost exactly like described in London's way.

    On the way to Hawaii in the spring it becomes damn difficult to detect "noon" using a sextant as you are cross directly under the latitude track of the Sun
    as it moves North daily to the most Northerly point, the Tropic of Cancer on June 21. Trying to measure when the sun at it's highest, when it is directly overhead is tricky with a one dimensional measuring device. Properly detecting noon with give you a longitude position. There are better ways in these circumstances but I will save you that one.

    London blew his calculation on approaching Hawaii by 200 miles. My daughter and I were off just about the same. Thank goodness for RDF techniques to backup the CN. The GPS leaves time for much better things.
     
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    Sorry, I was going off of the OP about disabling the Navy.

    I totally agree with you that 20M peasants with pitchforks is still a bad day. Quantity has a quality all its own.
     
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    In my mid days, I sailed a 44' down the Chesapeake, up to Long Island Sound, through NYC and into the C&D canal back to Annapolis. For grins I took some fixes on CelNav, just to prove I could. That's a great point about using noon fixes in the tropics.
     
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    This statement is illogical.
     
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    There's something to say for brute force.

    I heard this story about how a bunch of guys with sticks defeated a tank.

    They rushed the tank, flipped it on its side, and then beat the occupants with the sticks when they tried to get out.
     
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    Not really. Our superiority didn't win us Vietnam.
     
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    Another fun example.

    GHW Bush ordered a small scale invasion of Somalia when some warlord(s) there were causing us some trouble.

    Our seal teams stormed the beach in their night vision goggles. The media was all there with their lights and cameras and those lights effectively blinded our seals.
     
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    Oh please... if we ever do go to war.... and I mean real war and not some Iraq bullshit..... the ground is going to open up and all of the freaky next level tech that we've been hiding for the past 30 years is going to float up out of the hangers and blow everyone's minds.

    Think about this.... we brought out the F117 back in the Gulf Classic because we didn't care if people knew about our stealth tech anymore. Any time the US military exposes the public to something, you can almost guarantee that there's something cooler that's hiding in a secret installation.

    Retire the SR71... and supposedly there's the Aurora that the military won't confirm. So all of those weird UFO sightings that people had around Area 51, we're going to see that cool stuff emerge and wreck some Russian ass.
     
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    Easy Denny!
    I meant the Navy has nothing without it's smart weapons.
    Take away the Tomahawk from the Burke class Destroyers, you left with a 5" gun.
    Take away the smart bombs from a Carrier, I doubt a F18 could fly slow enough to get a gravity bomb within a mile of where you need it.
    So there is no Superiority without the Smart weapons.
    We have the the number on the whole world for the number of Carriers but... They can may emergency power and water for some place
    devastated by something, but not so good a blowing shit up without smart weapons.

    This is sort of why I think they need a new class of Destroyer, to fill the historical tactical role we have no ship filling these days. Like direct fire support and the ability to get the support where it is needed when it is needed. The President should never be told, no assets available. ( I gleaned the idea from Alfred Mahan)
     
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    We weren't trying to "win" Vietnam. We were trying to recreate Korea by keeping the North Vietnamese on the other side of their border. That's not "winning" anything. That's an impossible task. If it was as simple as just going in and dominating North Vietnam, it would have been over and done. We weren't trying to go in and destroy them. If you look at the Iraq War, it's basically an example of both scenarios. On the one hand, we were able to completely conquer Iraq in a matter of a week. At one point Iraq had one of the largest armies in the world. If we're actually trying to conquer, we can wipe out any military in fairly short order. It's the second phase of the Iraq War that was unwinnable. Occupation. Totally different ball game, and it's a scenario where your technology and superiority doesn't mean nearly as much.
     
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    Russia is doing to us what we did to them. They went broke and communism collapsed trying to compete against Reagan's Star Wars.

    Now Russia throwing out some cryptic threats and Denny is ready to start up the draft and arming them with sticks and biplanes.
     
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    Denny is right. Russia will zip tie grenades to the wheels of our missiles and Navy ships.

     
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    Sure, but the navy's guns only shoot so far inland. If the battles are in Berlin, the navy isn't going to help much, other than as mobile airfields.
     
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    In Iraq, we had GPS and laser guided pin point munitions. Take that away and we're not quite taking out the targets we want, or hitting potential enemy aircraft with a guided missile from miles away.

    A lot of what I saw during the Iraq operations was video sent via satellite back to an HQ. Or guys remotely flying drones using VR.
     
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    And in Vietnam we were facing a bunch of dudes with AKs and pajamas. The technology gap between the NVA and the US at that time was probably about the same as the gap between the US and Iraq.
     
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