Greed connotates that it is driven by purely selfish desire for wealth or possessions (if were going with Dictionary definitions). How have any of you been able to prove that his motives for rejecting the deal were driven by greed? You HAVEN'T, and you CAN'T...unless he publicly states his motives. Who the fuck are any of you to say what another man thinks his own value is? It's fine to agree or disagree with his decision, but to characterize it as greedy makes a lot of false assumptions. And you can't equate scientists and engineers and doctors and teachers to athletes/performers/entertainers. However, I do know more than a few scientists and engineers that took significant risks and reaped multi-10's of millions of dollars, and for doing little more than their peers. But they took the risk. Schurzer now has a baseline value AND he knows what to the market trends have been for other pitchers. Taking a risk to maximize your return isn't greed. Sorry. You cannot equate this decision to anything contextual to your own lives or experiences. Biggest mistake people make....making it personal. You have to stick to the facts and the data. Facts and data point at a low ball offer from Detroit, because that is what is in their best interest to do at this phase of the negotiation. Why leave money on the table if you don't have too? But Max also said that if a deal wasn't done by the end of ST, he'd wait until after the season. You have no idea what he and his agent were asking for. Obviously it was larger than the offer we see now. Like I said before, people that get hung up on the dollars and cents of baseball, that's their baggage. This is big business. You have to look at these deals in the context of how you would look at M&A activities of the companies in your stock portfolio, or the deals going on in your own industry. These aren't personal transactions. Max Schurzer did the right thing for Max Schurzer, Inc. Just like Robbie Cano did the right for for Robbie Cano, Inc. Corporations are accountable to their shareholders alone.
Totus, with all due respect, I've been asking myself since I was a kid, why did Babe Ruth, get paid more money to play ball, than the Nation's President, during his time. I still don't get why Entertainers are paid more, than Surgeon's, Physicists, or Engineers, who have paved new crossroads into the Nation's improving Life for its people. I just don't get it, perhaps I never will........ I still have yet to meet any Engineer, other than Jack Northrop, who made multi-millions for using his brain. The CEO/President who replaced Jack, made $8 million in the year 2000, (his last year). Yes, that's alot of money. Yet, Jules Verne did all the math which NASA Engineers determined to be very accurate to land a man on the moon. Of course it takes more than One Engineer to screw a light bulb in. Yet, none of those folks lived to see a mil per year. Neither did Jules net what would been comparable to millions, way back then. Sometimes I think personal accomplishment(s), may outweigh monetary gain. One is priceless, the other incurred cost revenues, or profit at peoples expense, with some return on their dollar. The other, costly too, but for their gain. There is a trade off here, what costs one, one gains from, in some cases. The Space Program was extremely costly, and its gains were/are endless accomplishments, feats, all mankind benefited from, and worth the risks. Yet, I've still to meet a millionaire Engineer, who improved the lives of all Mankind; versus a Millionaire Entertainer, who intrigues us, and gives us great memories, or fun, entertainment. I think I never will get this one, and there is NO help for this old man, when it comes to comprehension how any entertainer makes our days better than a surgeon who saves our lives. I just don't get it.....guess I never will either, I would like to, but it seems a lesson in futility, for me anyway. Again, with all due respect....enlighten me if you can. I do appreciate your take, and viewpoint, no doubt, please don't get me wrong. May be, I'm truly becoming a fossel dinosaur, age has a way of doing that, to us old fart's.
...and you have not "proven" his motives are NOT driven by greed. Sorry. ...and "who are we to say what another man thinks"?...seriously?...Uhhh, I'll go with it's an opinion on a message board?
If he did indeed say if nothing could be worked out (yeah like whay they offered was nothing) that he'll wait a year, then this much I can guarantee. If he has a down year, a losing season he will NEVER see that offer again. And if that happens the first thing people are going to say is...."That's what you get for being greedy". And the'll be right. And I would also add, "That's what you get for being foolish". Look, all were saying is he had 0NE banner year & for that the Tigers offered him the moon. ONE fucking great year. And they offered him what 6 years & 150M. Honestly Totus as 99% of us are saying here I'm sure many will be thinking......"What a pair of balls on this guy". And this very well could come back to haunt him if he has a bad year. Which after this display of GREED most will be saying...."We can only hope".
I'm not saying I disagree with you, but you also need to factor the league affect into the mix... records shouldn't be affected, but ERA would be lower in the NL, strikeouts would be higher in the NL, and WHIP would be lower in the NL all thanks to having the pitcher bat and not having the DH bat. That being said, there is a bigger difference between 2.21 and 3.69 ERAs (1.48) than league difference... I don't think the strike out or WHIP difference (0.255) If someone already brought this up, I apologize... I haven't been all the way through yet
I have to agree with Squishface... all athletes are greedy IMO... so it's kinda hard to say one is more so than the other with few exceptions (A-Rod)...
Here is a decent article on the Scherzer Debacle: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/...paign=Feed: MlbTradeRumors (MLB Trade Rumors)
That a shit load of money being offered to a guy who's had ONE great season so far & he turned it down. Sorry but if Greed isn't the right word I don't know what is.
All Scherzer has to do is take a look at Boras 2 unemployed clients Morales & Drew. And how the stupid bastard talked them both into not accepted there 1 year 14M dollar offers.
lol! you guys are comical, way too obsessed with the salary numbers, and you're not looking at all the other terms of the deal.
You mean other items like the more then generous 6 years that would have taken him to the age of 36 that he ALSO turned down?
yeah rick, there are generally more terms to a contract than salary and length. the devil is in the details.
Unless the contract called for him to give periodic blow jobs to the owners or to become somebody's butt buddy I really can't imagine much cause to turn down 150 million dollars.
...that's not the point, not at all, never has been. The point is that between him and Boras, they are both playing a game of Russian Roulette. Walking away from $150 Mil in lieu of demands for more is greed...sorry. Slice it, dice it, split hairs with word meanings all you want...it's still greed. ...and if you want to refer to us as "comical" as if we don't have a clue, well, that's fine too.
lol.....oh stop already. i just don't see the move as greedy. risky...sure, a gamble...you bet. but you have to respect a guy for going all-in on himself and his own abilities. that's the kind of player I want, not a guy that settles for a hometown discount because he's comfortable. comfort is for when you retire. and he's secure enough in his decision even if people want to think he's being greedy. That's a guy that isn't playing it safe. A guy willing to bust it inside, high and tight. and maybe, he would prefer to just play somewhere else.
...stop what already?...you're the one referring to us as "comical". ...and I think it's safe to say that ALL players believe in their own abilities. I also have no idea why you would not want someone who is willing to settle for a hometown discount...that is the exact opposite of greed. But yeah, that's evidently a bad thing. ...and "playing somewhere else" is what he may want?...right, and Cano really preferred to play in Seattle. Sorry, Scherzer will follow the money.
Aside from putting labels on this guy like greedy & having balls the size of water mellons not to mention being a complete ass hole if this decision back fires, how conceited does someone have to be to think you're worth 30M after having only ONE great season so far?
All these points are awesome, and great insight, into the mind of a good pitcher, who just had his first great year. Does that make Max a great pitcher overall for his lifetime achievements, no, just great for one year. A banner year no doubt, can he duplicate it, I'd like to see him do it, but I don't want to see him blow his arm out......I really doubt tho' anyone is going to offer him more than what he was already offered. If so, whatever team wants to give him Kershaw like Money, is a flipping fool....Max is a fool for NOT taking the Money offered. That WAS a good deal from the Tigers....he could of retired maybe in infamy, maybe as a one hit wonder....watch no Team will offer him more than 25 Million, and he has to prove he's worth that, can he, will he, I really really doubt he can win a Cy Young back to back... not with Verlander healty...no way.....and NO WAY is he KERSHAW....no freaking way, is Max even close to the most talented Southpaw, we have seen in the last 3 years, and Clayton is only 25.....Scherzer is not close to Kershaw, and I doubt seriously, Max will ever be comparable to Kershaw....that Kid is a lifetime Wonder Boy....("don't call me -Superman")
