OT School shooting in California

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  1. yankeesince59

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    Excuse me?...I did not say he was less qualified to comment on the subject.

    The reason I asked if he owned a gun is because people who own guns typically have different feelings about the problem than people who don't.

    Much stiffer background checks are just fine...I'm all for it.
     
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    Gun laws in California are orders of magnitude more lax than they are in these countries - and it does not help that they are not lax in Nevada or other states and there are no borders between the states.

    To be effective, gun laws need to go to the federal level. That's like saying Chicago has a gun problem despite the tough regulation there, but ignore the fact that Indiana is 90 minutes away with very lax gun laws.

    The number of guns and how easy it is to access them is absolutely a big part of the problem. We have 6 times more guns per capita than Germany for example, about 15 times more guns per capita than England. Honestly, guns in this country are ridiculously easy to get and there are not enough consequences for mishandling them.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country
     
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    Gotta agree about Federal laws instead of only state laws. And yeah, it's much too easy to circumvent the laws in one state by simply crossing the border, buying a weapon and then crossing the border once again.

    Still believe we need to address the cultural element.
     
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    times have changed. I want armed civilians around to be able to take guys like this down. If we make guns illegal, there is no one to stop things like this.

    because most of those countries don’t have the geographical size or population we do. we have way many more guns out there then they ever did. Germany isn't much bigger than new york.
    hell of alot easier to tighten the reigns on a size of that nature vs our coast to coast massive size of a country.
     
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    Those countries absolutely had issues that led to gun legistlation...the IRA was blowing up England in the 1960s...France has had many riots....Italy was the birthplace of facism…..the Spanish have had civil war and conflicts with the Basque people....it's not exclusive to the USA but we have more ammo and weapons available than any country on the planet per population. Belfast and London were bloodbaths of violence when I was growing up.
     
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    That's not what I said.

    What I said was. "those countries never had the problem to the degree that the US now has". And to keep things in context, what we are discussing is the current problem of our own people killing our own people for no good reason.
     
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    Two points:
    1. Australia had a ton of weapons. Their country is similar to our wild West;
    2. California can have all the strict gun laws in the world and they won't halt guns coming in from states with lenient gun laws like Alabama, Georgia, Texas and the other red states.
     
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    I already addressed this earlier.
     
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    I don't think there is anyone out there saying insane people should have the right to have a gun, and I don't really believe that most people think that banning all guns would get rid of all guns and make us safer. I do believe there is a middle ground and most everyone wants everyone to be safe. Its simply a matter of rights of one to be able to defend oneself with the same weaponry that you can be assaulted with.
    I don't believe there is one right answer but its going to take a combination of many things, most of all being time.

    1. outlaw cop killers; bullets meant to pierce armor.
    2. have an extremely stringent mental analysis on anyone looking to purchase a gun
    3. create a foolproof method of tracking all arms bought and sold.
    4. mandatory background checks on all ammunition purchases along with a permit to be able to do so.
    5. mandatory annual reevaluation of all who have gun permits.

    Above is just to be able to own a gun.
    Below is to carry a concealed weapon

    6. military level training of the use of guns in public and annual followup courses
    7. annual first aid and trauma training classes


    That's all just off the top of my head.

    I'm on the fence as to banning assault rifles. I see no need for them and they should be for the military only. But then one just needs to watch the famous LA bank robbery that took place in the 90's with two men with armor and assault rifles cut down a bunch of cops walking down the middle of the street in broad daylight. bringing a knife to a gunfight is not wise. Bringing a handgun to an assault rifle fight is also not wise and so I want the guns available for the good to combat the bad.
     
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    I like it but no. 6 concerns me. What if someone is threatened by either an ex spouse or an estranged spouse, don't you allow the woman to own a weapon to protect herself. Now, would you still require her to devote her limited resources or time and even physical ability to passing a stringent level of training on the use of guns followed by first aid and trauma training? That seems a bit overboard to me.
     
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    Obviously not to my satisfaction.

    Edit:
    I don't see any mention of Australia in your response.
     
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    The shooter used a "ghost gun".

    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...alifornia-high-school-killing-2-used-n1089411

     
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