Politics School walkouts

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  1. DaLincolnJones

    DaLincolnJones Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, it cracks me up.

    My niece in Montana bagged a big cougar, near record cat. She used her AR in pink and was 10 at the time. I suppose we could start a friendly AR campaign and promote all the ARs in pretty color schemes to make them liberal friendly...
     
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  2. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    when you've resorted to name calling, you've lost the argument.
     
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    And self respect.
     
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    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

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    Coincidentally, when you eat your own farts you are too smug to think for yourself, and just parrot CNN.
     
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    rasheedfan2005 Well-Known Member

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    I especially love the fat kids. "I fear for my life" really? Then put down the little debbies and do some fucking cardio.
     
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    Exactly! Then my .308. I love my .270 but I know I have to find my own feed for that one.

    Ha! I was trying to bait the guy into a discussion on the powerful weapons of war. Well I sort of prefer that .270 almost anywhere, especially if I have a couple guys with me that maybe aren't really that good but they can spray the area with the .223. Then the .308 is my next choice. That .223 is support, not prime function. But good enough for those that flinch anyway.
    Ah well, carry on!
     
  7. julius

    julius I wonder if there's beer on the sun Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Glad to see you're taking the high road and being an adult here.
     
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    I'm not sure how else to answer your question, as I've stated multiple times, I recognize that I don't have the answers. I've also referenced multiple issues (and various, albethey somewhat vague approaches to handling those issues) that did more to state my approach than you did in this thread... That said, let me give it some form of a shot, at least in somewhat broad strokes...
    1. I think it's incredibly dangerous that we have lawmakers beholden to the NRA for campaign finance. The fact that no guns are allowed at Mar a Lago and the RNC and DNC tells me all I need to know about politicians view guns. So we absolutely NEED to do something about campaign finance reform. Like DRASTICALLY. Take the guns out of the picture -- whether it's legalized drugs, Tide Pods, gambling... NO industry or special interest group should have that much control over the people making our laws, let alone one who builds things designed to kill. To further this conversation down an exceedingly scary path (if true, which I'm not necessarily saying it is...) if it's found that Russia was working through the NRA to affect the election? Man... at the very VERY minimum I think a clean sweep of the NRA would be needed. I can't see how those two things could be remotely compatible going forward...

    2. I'm all for people's rights to feel safe. The argument of many gun owners is that they're used for safety or for hunting. That, to me, is completely fine. If you're a responsible gun owner who's of sound mental faculties and isn't "losing" your gun (because apparently that's a thing), then I fail to see why a few more regulations that you should easily pass, aren't worth implementing if the end result is saving lives? Other countries that do not have mass shootings on a weekly basis require you to keep your gun locked, apart from your ammo; relicense your gun every year with proof that you purchased it; mental tests; usage tests, etc. AGAIN if you're a responsible gun owner why should any of these issues -- beyond the minor inconveniences -- be a big deal? None of that seems unreasonable.

    3. Staying the course with reasonability, any attempt to change the gun from its purchased state should be looked at. Bump stocks, extended clips, silencers, etc. -- if you're a reasonable and responsible gun owner, presumably you're buying and using the gun for its intended purposes and probably shouldn't ever have a need to alter it.

    4. The sale of guns in any capacity should by highly regulated and controlled, and background and mental checks should be an absolute necessity. Gun shows and the like have no business in this world. To that end, something needs to be figured out about higher powered munitions. Again, I don't know guns well enough to know the answer. Maybe it's a sliding scale of gun + ammo size + RPM? Don't know, but again, if we're trying to set some reasonable standards here, I think reasonable people could agree that it's probably not a good thing to have a high-powered rifle firing hundreds of large-caliber bullets per minute.

    5. Something should absolutely be done about mental health. As someone who's been to therapy and swears by it, frankly, I think the entire world should be seeing a mental health professional, but that's not reasonable. As mentioned above, you should absolutely have to pass routine mental health examinations and background checks to own/buy a gun. But again, much as I'm not a gun expert, I'm also not a mental health expert -- these answers (such that there are any) are above my expertise.

    6. In general, I think less guns (especially high-caliber, semi or fully automatic ones, in particular) is at least part of the answer. Police in schools didn't help in Florida. The good guy with a gun didn't help at Clackamas Town Center. In my opinion, those are largely myths that gun advocates either want to believe (seen too many movies) or are hiding behind.
    At the end of the day, I think gun advocates are going to have to renounce some liberties for the sake of all of us, and I don't feel as though that's too much to ask. When it takes more to drive a car, buy headache medicine or get a loan than it does to acquire something that can cause mass chaos and damage, something's gotta give. But as I've said in numerous posts on this thread, this thread was about students protesting, not about my less-than fully-informed opinions on how to fix an issue as large and untenable as gun control. And I applaud them for standing up and making their voices heard. We need our political leaders to be making decisions based on what's best for this country's citizenry, not the special interest groups lining their pockets and buying their votes.
     
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    weird confession but I guess we'll have to accept your experience here...still waiting for you to parrot CNN though
     
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    What. Are. You. Talking. About.
    Everyone keeps writing over and over that we do not know anything about guns and types of guns and the bullets that go in your guns. Also. We don't care. You know the guns that people are stealing or buying and using and killing kids? Those ones? We'd like to see those not be used anymore.

    PS Oprah can spell. Trump (and you) cannot. "Uneducated Liberals" as you call them...maybe we should compare education and jobs amongst this here board...
     
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    theprunetang Shaedon "Deadly Nightshade" Sharpe is HIM

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    Well, he is good at parroting an insane asshole, so at least he's got that going for him.
     
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    Republicans and Democrats can eat my asshole
     
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    Everybody calm down
     
  16. DaLincolnJones

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    It occurs to me that if the community really wanted to effect a change, they should protest the lack of follow up by local police as well as FBI. From what I have seen there were 39 police visits to this kids home, he threatened him mother, was violent at home. This was the reason he was in a foster home. The FBI had spoken to him based upon posting a threat that he "Wanted to be a professional shooter" and shoot up a school. Even with all the red lights going off, he was allowed to purchase a rifle.

    Seems to my the the blame is not on the rifle, but rather the failure lies with the system.
     
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    Sounds to me like you are calling for more regulations on rifle purchases. I agree.
     
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    Correct the 'system' shockingly (sarcasm) failed again. FBI and the Police need to do their damn jobs.
     
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    From what I've read, they have addressed that...it's part of the protest..and it's being discussed right now on live feed with the president and students..
     
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    You see. This tells me you are misinformed. There are no high Caliber fully automatic weapons legally available. You can get a .30 caliber semi auto and and old .35 caliber. I guess you can go for making all the .308s, 30-06s and 35 Remington semi auto illegal. You sure would gather up the opposition. But why would you do this? Oh, excuse me, the AK47 semi auto's would fall in that class too. Come to think of I suppose the Ruger 9mm would too. Why?


    I was trying to be reasonable in offering to revue of and amendment. I could be persuaded to support changes. But until I see a specific change, noway do I support any change to the amendment or infringement of the right to bare arms.
     

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