I don't know that WTC7 fell at near free fall speed. I know numerous witnesses claimed the building was on fire every floor, they could hear it groaning, it was all bent out of shape, and the firefighters pulled out of there so they wouldn't be killed in the expected collapse. Fire Retardant doesn't mean fireproof, FWIW. Watch the one video where they asked 11 demolition companies if the word "pull" means anything to them? Secondary explosions debunked: [video=youtube;CRCTkSJOViY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRCTkSJOViY[/video]
Here's another video, that I think clearly demonstrates that there was a series of EXPLOSIONS running down the all four sides of the building in a syncronized manner. Take a look at the corner of the building, which is still in tact, between the explosions running along the two visible faces. If it were being crushed, floor by floor, this would not be the case. [video=youtube;atSd7mxgsGY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atSd7mxgsGY&feature=related[/video]
I don't understand how you can say this with any authority. Like... I was going to highlight a part of your post that I wanted to ask you, "How do you KNOW this?" but it's the whole post. It seems to me that you're just parroting what you hear, and grasping at things that support your conspiracy belief. I look at that and it appears to me, as a non-engineer, that the air is being pushed out of floors below the floor that is being pancaked. The corners don't spit our smoke and gas because there are no windows there. I don't see ANY evidence that there are explosions. The clouds of gas are synchronized, but I would find it exceedingly odd if they were not. Ed O.
Here's one theory I have that wouldn't necessarily require government collusion but it is something I've wondered about. OBL and 19 of the hijackers are Saudi. What if Saudi Arabian intelligence set this up knowing we would pin it on OBL and also suspecting that we would use it as a pre-text to invade Iraq and get rid of their enemy Sadam. We get rid of two Saudi enemies and they become the regional power. The Saudi's and indeed the world knew that the Bush Admin was itching to attack Iraq (Cheney et al had beaten the drums of war the previous spring and even Colin Powell didn't want to go there) they send in there guys and pin it on the black sheep of the family. Maybe Cheney didn't allow it to go through but maybe like Johnson he didn't want to look to closely into other theories. We know Rumsfeld was all about tying it to Iraq and Cheney too. There you go an alternate explanation that doesn't require the government to be in on it but involves an intelligence agency (the Saudi's). Now see this theory (mind you they are all theories) makes INFINITELY more sense then a few non-state supported guys beating our intel apparatus. This is why I believe we need another investigation because frankly the mainstream theory doesn't pass the smell test. They must have had, imho, additional support that only a government could provide (in this illustration and also an idea I have kicked around) the Saudi's. I've never understood why when 19 of 20 hijackers were Saudi we attacked Afghanistan especially if we aren't absolutely certain it was Bin Laden. Considering that people immediately assumed it was Bin Laden (most networks were reporting this within hours) and ran with that it is entirely possible we went after the wrong Saudi. By the way I respect you opinion and apologize for getting heated. I get frustrated at times because this is an emotionally charged issue as i'm worried the US may end up on the wrong side of history on this one (we're talking 40 years in the future when info is declassified) and I feel we may have let the real criminals get away. I also have always been angry that no one was punished for the gross intelligence/military failure of that day that cost so many lives and I was outraged that most of the top people in those positions were instead rewarded for incompetence.
I certainly can't rule out the possibility that the Saudis helped, but I don't see the need for the additional support. It isn't like they infiltrated the CIA and stole the President's briefing book, or even wore clever disguises. Everything they did was right out in plain sight and they only succeeded because our own intelligence agencies just weren't very intelligent. They didn't beat us so much as walked past us while we were drooling on our shirts. barfo
Each floor of the WTC contained a large volume of air that obviously was compressed by the pancake effect until it found a way out. It blew out the windows. The air in the elevator shafts and stairwells that got compressed did major damage to the interior structures of the buildings.
I would expect it to do both, depending on where the air started and where the collapsing material created the path of least resistance. Ed O.
And where does the flour go after you jump on the bag of flour? The concrete was pulverized into dust, and ejected outwards, as you see in the videos, therefore, the weight of the concrete is no longer contributing to the "progressive collapse". And you can clearly see ejections that are many stories below the collapse. And concrete is being ejected from many floors at the same time, it's not one by one. Exactly what is it that is pile driving the building down to the ground, so symetrically, at such a rapid pace?
pulverization was not 100% by any means. Nor would ejection be anywhere near 100%. and why would it be one by one? The giant invisible pile driver called gravity. barfo
First, it wasn't concrete, it was gypsum from the interior drywall. Concrete doesn't immediately pulverize like that. Second, the beauty of this country (for the time being) is that you're free to believe what you wish, no matter how stupid.
So much shit was falling off the buildings as they burned. People jumping off and landing on cars at freefall velocity. The cables on the elevators gave out and they fell 100 floors, though a few had their brakes work. Slam, right into the basement, certainly sounded like explosions to a bunch of people scared out of their wits with no idea whether more attacks were coming. They also put a bunch of extra generators in the WTC, which certainly exploded. If you've ever had one blow in your neighborhood, BOOOOOOOM. How and why the bulidings fell is well understood. It's been studied by numerous experts and organizations with expertise in demolition and construction and engineering. LOL at the Loose Change documentary, they found some "experts" who have higher degrees but no expertise in anything related to what might have happened at the WTC that day. In fact, those experts were of the religious kind, very similar to the ones who are behind the evolution is fraud movement.
