I don't wonder that, but if we have a future multi-time MVP, and two other all-star players on our roster like the Warriors did, then we could probably not maximize the value on an Ant trade. I don't believe that's the case.
The Warriors did not have anything more than hope for a future multi-time MVP and two other all-star players when they traded Ellis. Same position Portland currently finds itself in.
Sure. So if that is the strategy: Hope Sharpe is a multi-MVP and Scoot/Ayton are all-stars, then I wouldn't be concerned about getting good value for Ant. I think that is an unlikely outcome and a poor strategy though.
He had that one pass (to Thybulle I think?) that was soooooooooooooooo sweet. And not a "ooh, flashy" good (tho it was flashy) but "damnit man, that was a borderline brilliant pass that takes a lot of guile" good. I do notice that he's not nearly the leaper that it was implied (that could just be in the future). I saw that he reportedly had a 46" vertical leap (I'm suspicious of that tbh), but he really hasn't shown it. NOT that I think he needs to, a dunk and a layup are both worth the same amount. I don't think he was at the combine, so I'm not finding any legit sources for his standing reach, vertical, etc...
I got to watch yesterday’s game live. Obviously, he still has a lot to work on. But his playmaking ability is very real. He had just as much to do with Jabari’s career high as Jabari did. I’m excited to see the Scoot and Shae backcourt in their prime. Play-style wise, their games mesh as well as you can ask for, honestly.
right...if the gauge of a trade is what happens several years later of course, you weren't talking about that when I replied. You were talking about the here and now of Portland possibly trading their best player, with 'best' being a subjective gauge that doesn't account for both ends of the floor, or the record the team has with that best player.
Correct. In the here and now, I don't think Portland has the luxury of missing on a trade that involves the best (or one of the best) players on their roster. I'm unsure why anyone would be ok with the team only getting back marginal return for a player of Ants skill, contract, and age. I certainly wouldn't bank on the outcome similar to the Warriors trade of Monta Ellis and their current roster to justify simply unloading Ant to provide more minutes for Scoot/Sharpe.
I think that there’s going to be a team that thinks he can be a star PG. He’s pretty much in the same tier as Maxey, but Maxey will be getting a near max deal imo. Raptors are now out, but I still think a team like the Pistons would offer 2 1sts for Ant. Ant would instantly be an upgrade over VanVleet and would be their starting PG. Magic would also be a great destination. That’s a few teams off the top of my head.
I don't know what VanVleet and the Pistons have to do with each other but other than that, I'm hoping for either a big haul for Ant or for us to hold onto him at least for now.
Personally, I'm not interested in giving up a very good 24 year old player for multiple unknown firsts, as missing on those would kill us even if Sharpe/Scoot do pan out. If Ant can land us a very good forward/center, I'm very interested! Orlando might make some sense in that regard.
Obviously, you aren’t trading him for just 1sts. The Rockets have multiple forwards, the Magic and Pistons have front court players as well.
I didn't know it was obvious either. If you're trading for a player and draft picks, why would you not mention that player? Unless it's another Keon Johnson, in which case that's basically just 1sts.
I want a clear cut, high quality starting forward/center in return for Ant. I'm having a hard time finding who Houston would give up that fits that need in an Ant trade.
So genuine question for you. Despite this board, or at least a large portion of it, valuing Simons at a high level, why does it appear that the rest of the league does not? Simons and Herro are very similar players and during the summer when there were rumors about the blazers shopping Simons and the Heat supposedly trying to get value for Herro so they couple flip it for Dame, nobody was biting. So what does the league know that we do not?
It could be the opposite of the last question you asked. Maybe you should ask: What do the Blazers know about Ant that the rest of the league doesn't? In general, I do agree that it appears teams that have the Ant, Maxey, Herro type players value them more than the rest of league. Maybe other teams feel giving their resources towards bigger players is a better value. It's why I'm 100% open to trading any of our guards for a very good forward/center, Ant included. What I find even more interesting is that Ant isn't the only backcourt on the Blazers that appears to have underwhelming trade value around the league. Toronto wanted multiple firsts on top of Sharpe to give up OG and the Nets wouldn't move off Bridges for him. There didn't appear to be a great offer for Scoot on draft night either. Maybe we over-value our young players in Portland.
