SCOTUS Rules employers do not have to provide contraception

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  1. Denny Crane

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    There you have it. laws cannot interfere with religious belief and opinions.

    Obamacare does interfere. The court thus ruled.
     
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    :lol: Now how the hell does Obamacare interfere with someone's belief? You can start a religion whose sole purpose is to hate obama care, and you have the right to believe it all you want.

    If we were to apply your interpetation of the 1st amendment, it would mean we could have NO laws, only suggestions. For everything could be ignored under the guise of religion. The courts have usually upheld this, (exceptions being ceremonial drug use), till we got these religious nut-jobs on the Supreme Court. They are truly a disgrace to our nation.
     
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    Abortion and birth control have been front and center in modern religious thought, speech, and doctrine.

    When it came to these provisions in ObamaCare, they knew it was an issue and tried to force it down everyone's throats anyway.

    And I quoted your citation that contradicts what you're saying.
     
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    This seems to be the real issue with the people who support this decision. Its not really about religion or freedom its about politics, winning, and chipping away at a law that they didn't like from a guy that they like even less. So with this logic the unconstitutionality of the decision is null and void because the original law should be null and void. Obamacare is far from perfect for many of the reasons you stated and I agree, but its what we got and its better than what we had with no real alternative. If 1/10 of the energy that is used to resist Obamacare was used to improve it then we would all be better off.
     
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    Then you didn't read the quote because it fully supports what I'm saying. The law is about not punishing people simply because they believe something. Like if they were to outlaw critisism of ObamaCare, or arrest people because they didn't believe in birth control. There have been times in history were people were persecuted simply for belief, and were dissenting views were squashed. That's what the 1st amened is all about.

    The authors of ObamaCare were under no obligation to appease any religious belief. Heck, there are christian sects who don't believing taking ANY modern medicine, does that make all of obamacare unconstitutional as well? Sorry Denny, you are not going to win this debate because you're not coming from a reasonable point of view. You seem to be pushing your OWN religion here.
     
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    uh, it seems you disagree with court. That sir is a loss. Pass it on to Obama.
     
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    FTFY
     
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    I'm an atheist. I'm pro choice and have zero issue with abortion or contraceptives.

    That doesn't make your POV right.

    The same court that ruled ObamaCare legal ruled that this part of it is not. I think they got it wrong the first time and right the second time.

    Chief Justice Roberts was set to rule the whole thing unconstitutional the first time, but ended up capitulating (for who knows what reason). His comments were "elections have consequences."

    Get over it.
     
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    No you didn't.
     
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    Doesn't sound like you have...

    barfo
     
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    All I can do is watch my friends affected by it suffer. One is moving to a smaller/cheaper place because the cost burden of her ObamaCare is so high. She had her policy that she could afford cancelled thanks to ObamaCare.

    Let them eat cake, right barfo?

    This is one of those moment.
     
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    Yes I did.
     
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    No you didn't. He wrote what he meant to write, not what you wish it to be.
     
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    Can Rastafarians smoke weed legally? Seems they ought to be able to
     
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    Can your Muslim employer impose Sharia law?
    Can your Jewish employer prohibit you from using your wages to buy a cheeseburger?
    Can Quakers refuse to pay for the military?

    And why just religions? A lot of people have very deeply and sincerely held beliefs that are based on humanism, not religion. Why would the Court say that only religious people can disobey laws they don't like? Why can't all of us disobey any law we sincerely don't like?

    No. Just women (and maybe gays).

    Hobby Lobby supporters have started a hashtag to express their approval of this decision, #closeyourlegs. Because nothings spells religious freedom like expressing open contempt for women, right? Apparently conservative men (like Viagra-popping, four times married, no children Rush Limbaugh) never have sex? Or is it just that only women are to blame for sex?
    It's the sluts, stupid.
     
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    Non sequiturs, every one of your questions.

    Has a muslim employer imposed Sharia law? Bring it to court and let's get a resolution. But it hasn't happened, so you're just making shit up.

    Quakers can refuse to serve in the military. And that's legit.

    Religion is protected by the 1st, that's why.

    Can you come up with something that's not so much bullshit?
     
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    It must be disconcerting to live in a country with a Constitution. Especially one that grants you freedom to freely exercise your religion, or none if you wish, instead of giving you the right to buy cheesburger.
    Dang, I never ran into that need, lucky me.

    What country do you think would serve you well, since this one is so distasteful?
     
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    Ouch MA . . . with as much as you complain about Obama, couldn't the same statement be said to you (Or maybe a different state with Merkley and Wyden)

    OK to love a country and state but questions it's rules and leaders right?
     
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    At least the religious right has a reason for their stupidity....but you are true enigma.
     

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