<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I got a more enticing offer: Toronto sends a flaming bag of dog crap for Kobe Bryant.</div> LOL I can probably start for the Lakers now, and play better than most of their scrubs!
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">LOL I can probably start for the Lakers now, and play better than most of their scrubs!</div> Then, why don't you?
<div class="quote_poster">kobe4life Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Some of you don't think deep enough from a Lakers perspective. At first, I thought trading Bynum/LO for JO is a good trade for the Lakers. But after watching the Spurs, I completely changed my mind. A JO/Kobe ain't bringing us anywhere deep in the playoff. Our team goal is to build a championship team, not a team that get bounce around in the playoff. Bynum might not be a great player but he is at least a serviceable center in the league for years to come. Most of you Lakers fan realize the huge improvement since Bynum's rookie season and this season correct? The Lakers are a completely different team when Bynum puts his effort into anchoring our defense. With experience and maturity, Bynum might ends up be that guy that we miss since the Shaquille O'Neal. Not to mention JO is already at his peak and his contract is toxic. Between Kobe/JO we are lock for years without having the ability to sign any big free agent players. Then who can guarantee Kobe will stay if JO gets trade here? I believe there are only 2 options that Kobe are willing to stay, one either acquiring a major impact player while keeping LO, or two get KG. Getting rid of LO, acquiring a player who isn't that much better than LO statically wise, is not the option Kobe looking for. If I'm Dr. Buss, I'll go for Paul Gasol while keeping LO and build the core around Kobe/LO/Paul Gasol. If not, I'll trade Kobe and start rebuilding around Bynum now. There is no frigging way the Lakers should ever trade Bynum/LO for JO. The best deal I can see the Lakers can offer for JO is... Bynum/Brown/Farmar, 2008 1st round pick, Mo Evans, Sasha Vujavic, a resign Mckie for salary matching purpose. Take it or leave it, we don't need to overpay for JO.</div> I was amazed reading the first 2 paragraphs, because I had been saying that all along, but then you went on to say trade Bynum for him. In your next post you say it would be easy to build around JO/LO/Kobe, but how can you build around them when those 3 equal the salary cap and you trade basically all your players for them. You would basically have to hope that JO/LO/Kobe wins it all and then if it doesn't(which it won't) the only trade piece you would have is Lamar Odom's $14 mil expiring after this season and Javaris Crittenton, which won't get you anyone else. I agree that your lineup looks better than the old one, but the real question is how much better is that lineup? Is it worth it to get that lineup and to completely lose all flexibility to improve maybe a couple of seeds and advance out of the first round and then get eliminated in the 2nd? Not to mention if you tell the Pacers to take or leave that trade, they will leave it. Pau Gasol certainly won't be an easier target then Jermaine O Neal. Gasol is already a better player(when healthy) and he's much younger than JO. Not to mention he just wants to get more talent(which they already have, I would say they are better than the Lakers talent wise) around him and hasn't demanded a deal, while JO has. They aren't seriously shopping Gasol unless you give up Kobe.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Okay first of, you don't trade the "future" and LO for JO (on his declining), especially when you get no guarantee from Kobe that he stays if JO comes here. Then if Kobe/JO turns out to be a another playoff 1st round exit, we are doom (I think we are still at a point of not winning even with Kobe/JO). JO's contract is not something you want to touch at this point. It is just stupid to trade LO/Bynum for JO. </div> Why is it stupid to take a chance when it's proven that Odom and Bynum aren't going to get the Lakers anywhere? Three years with Odom have equaled 3 years of piss poor consistency, injuries, and failure. Two years with Bynum have led to him throwing temper tantrums, disrespecting two legends (Shaq and Phil), sneaking out of practice to eat, and not that much improvement in play. His conditioning is beyond piss poor, his attitude is terrible, he's lazy, if he doesn't get the ball early on, he's non-existant. Bynum is supposed to hang with up and coming studs like Oden, Durant, Al Jefferson, Bosh, etc? Yeah...right. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Secondly, your potential lineup is very misleading. This should be our potential lineup for the moment if the players we end up trading for JO as I mentioned. pg: MLE/Crittenton sg: Kobe/Sun Yue sf: Luke/Vlad pf: LO/Ronny/Cook c: JO/Mihm/Gasol</div> You can scratch Yue of the list, if you would follow the reports that have been put out, he's staying in China for a year, maybe two. Luke is a FA he's stated he's going to go visit other teams, Mihm is a free agent. JO as a center in the west? No, he's better suited at the PF. We won't have Odom if we do get Jermaine, and who's to say we don't use the MLE on a C? Like I said our lineup, with your trade, would consist of: Crittenton, Kobe, Vlad, Ronnie, Cook, Jermaine, and Gasol...who might stay over seas. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">If you look closely, then lineup is better than this. pg: MLE/Farmar/Crittenton sg: Kobe/Evans/Sasha sf: Luke Walton/Vlad/Cook pf: JO/Ronny c: Kwame/Mihm</div> Nope, I'd rather have this lineup for one reason...we've got depth with this lineup. You're not going to get any where in the NBA, especially if you don't have depth. The NBA season is too long for the players to endure the beating night in and night out without sufficient back ups and rest. Look at most of the champions from the past 10 years..they've all had one thing in common...dominant defense or big man, key role players, and depth. The Lakers would have absolutely no depth. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You tell me the 2nd lineup is better than the first? Give me a break please! Nobody say acquiring JO would immediately win us championship. But whenever you have a core of Kobe/JO/LO, we can easily build a championship around those 3. Beside when was the last time our craps Sasha, Evans, Mckie, and Farmar did anything major for the Lakers? Last I check, they are nothing but a bunch of players just fill out our roster. Those players can be easily replace through 10 day contracts or free agency. They're cheap players you can pick up from the Dleague.</div> Are you delusional? Have you not read the reports that state that Odom must be included in a deal? Ok then, your point is absolutely moot. Lol 10 day contracts and free agency...with what money? The MLE? Yeah, we can really improve our team through the MLE..enough to give us depth to fill every position. 10 day contracts? When was the last time a team won a championship with a bunch of players signed to 10 day contracts...oh that's right, never. Cheap players from the d league...such as Tierre Brown? Yeah, we've gone the D league route before, it sucks. The D league is full of selfish players building their stats so they can get that 10 day contract, and then they fail. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Still don't believe me, make a poll and ask the Lakers fan which lineup is better for the Lakers, 1st or 2nd. EDIT: Oh btw, we need to aim for an easier target like Paul Gasol rather than JO. A core of Kobe/LO/Gasol brother is still very competitive. Maybe even put us into a contention level if Luke can get back to the way he plays before he got injury. AT some point, I thought Luke could easily be compare to Boris Diaw, because the guy go after the rebound with a purpose and can knock down those corner 3.</div> LMAO how the hell do you expect to get Gasol without including Odom? He's not even in his prime yet, how the hell is he an easier target? Research would help you a lot, Gasol is a couple of years away from his prime, just because Memphis sucks doesn't mean they're going to have a fire sale for him. Get real, Jermaine is much easier to get than Gasol. Why do you think the Lakers have been linked to Jermaine...and not so much with Gasol?
Screw Odom and Bynum we haven't won anything we them all we have one is getting our @$$ beat by the Suns.Stupid Mitch and whoever in the front office doesn't want to let go of both Bynum and Odom.
I thought the MLE was bi-annual? Lakers spent their MLE last year to sign Radmanovic so doesn't that mean they don't get another until next offesason? Maybe I'm confusing it with another exception.
Man, I'm sick of this Lakers drama. They haven't even done anything and there's alwways reports floating around. If they're going to get a trade done, get a trade done. The franchise is sinking before our very eyes.
<div class="quote_poster">Run BJM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I thought the MLE was bi-annual? Lakers spent their MLE last year to sign Radmanovic so doesn't that mean they don't get another until next offesason? Maybe I'm confusing it with another exception.</div> The LLE is bi-annual.
<div class="quote_poster">Mamba Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why is it stupid to take a chance when it's proven that Odom and Bynum aren't going to get the Lakers anywhere? Three years with Odom have equaled 3 years of piss poor consistency, injuries, and failure. Two years with Bynum have led to him throwing temper tantrums, disrespecting two legends (Shaq and Phil), sneaking out of practice to eat, and not that much improvement in play. His conditioning is beyond piss poor, his attitude is terrible, he's lazy, if he doesn't get the ball early on, he's non-existant. Bynum is supposed to hang with up and coming studs like Oden, Durant, Al Jefferson, Bosh, etc? Yeah...right.</div> Bynum may or may not be an all star, but he's going to get better with age. The question is by the time Bynum become anything productive consistently, Kobe is long gone. Now bring to the question, will a Kobe/JO duo get us anywhere near a contender level? Do you think Kobe/JO get us pass the 1st round up against Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, Rockets? The answer is NO. Nowaday, it takes at least 3 stars in the west to be a contender. Like I already said, Bynum improved a lot from his 1st year to his 2nd year. His body improve, his low post game improve, and his anticipation for block improve. He played extremely well, even fill in the starting C spot nicely until Kwame Browm came back and he lost his focus. All of this is due to him being young and not ready to be a consistent threat on the floor. A tandem of Kobe/LO/Bynum actually could give us a shot in the playoff, meanwhile knowing we still have a future to rely upon if Kobe decides to opt out and left. However a tandem of Kobe/JO is the same as Kobe/LO/Bynum, just another 1st round playoff exit, and we even losing our future on this deadly 20mil JO. You only make a trade if it improves the team traumatically. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You can scratch Yue of the list, if you would follow the reports that have been put out, he's staying in China for a year, maybe two. Luke is a FA he's stated he's going to go visit other teams, Mihm is a free agent. JO as a center in the west? No, he's better suited at the PF. We won't have Odom if we do get Jermaine, and who's to say we don't use the MLE on a C? Like I said our lineup, with your trade, would consist of: Crittenton, Kobe, Vlad, Ronnie, Cook, Jermaine, and Gasol...who might stay over seas.</div> All players case will change if the Lakers are short on the roster. Actually you need to recheck my trade proposal. It was Bynum/Brown/Farmar/Sasha/Evans/(Mckie for salary purpose only). What you are arguing is we lose a lot of depth in that trade. Ya say what? depth? When is Sasha/Evans/Farmar consider as depth anyway? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nope, I'd rather have this lineup for one reason...we've got depth with this lineup. You're not going to get any where in the NBA, especially if you don't have depth. The NBA season is too long for the players to endure the beating night in and night out without sufficient back ups and rest. Look at most of the champions from the past 10 years..they've all had one thing in common...dominant defense or big man, key role players, and depth. The Lakers would have absolutely no depth.</div> Depth? Oh please! There is no depth with Sasha, Evans, Cook as your backup. Check Phoenix Suns, they play with a 7-8 men rotation and still able to be competitive against anyone. The key to their success is not depth, but rather overwelming talent. Like I already said, Kobe/JO/LO is all you need. You can put Dleague players around them, and they turn them into a serviceable NBA player because each of those guys demand double team. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Are you delusional? Have you not read the reports that state that Odom must be included in a deal? Ok then, your point is absolutely moot.</div> You're a little bit off. I agree with the Lakers approach of NOT trading Bynum/LO for JO. But I absolutely trade for JO if it only include one of those two. IF not, leave and focus on acquiring an impact player like Artest, Gasol, etc...JO does not make us any better if we lose LO. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lol 10 day contracts and free agency...with what money? The MLE? Yeah, we can really improve our team through the MLE..enough to give us depth to fill every position. 10 day contracts? When was the last time a team won a championship with a bunch of players signed to 10 day contracts...oh that's right, never. Cheap players from the d league...such as Tierre Brown? Yeah, we've gone the D league route before, it sucks. The D league is full of selfish players building their stats so they can get that 10 day contract, and then they fail.</div> Dude, nobody say this team will immediately win championship with Kobe/JO/LO. At best it takes a year or 2. But at least, we are guarantee to be competitive with those 3 as the core. Meanwhile each season, the Lakers can used the MLE and LLE on acquiring player to complement them. Obviously Kobe/JO/LO will cost the Lakers somewhere near the salary cap limit. However, if i'm not mistaken, Dr. Buss mentioned he willing to go pay the luxury tax (65mil/season) if it means to bring us a championship. Looks at Phoenix Suns, Mav, Nuggets for an example, it seems you have to pay a big price to be a contender unless of course if you are lucky in the draft. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LMAO how the hell do you expect to get Gasol without including Odom? He's not even in his prime yet, how the hell is he an easier target? Research would help you a lot, Gasol is a couple of years away from his prime, just because Memphis sucks doesn't mean they're going to have a fire sale for him. Get real, Jermaine is much easier to get than Gasol. Why do you think the Lakers have been linked to Jermaine...and not so much with Gasol?</div> NO trade is easy. But targeting a player like Gasol is a safer bet and eventually a little easier due to his contract. It might or might not take both Bynum/LO for him. But if it does take Bynum/LO for him, then you don't trade either. YOu stay put with Kobe/LO/Bynum or you trade Kobe and start rebuilding. Anyway, the Lakers should only make a trade if it means to win it all and not to make a trade because they have to. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I was amazed reading the first 2 paragraphs, because I had been saying that all along, but then you went on to say trade Bynum for him. In your next post you say it would be easy to build around JO/LO/Kobe, but how can you build around them when those 3 equal the salary cap and you trade basically all your players for them. You would basically have to hope that JO/LO/Kobe wins it all and then if it doesn't(which it won't) the only trade piece you would have is Lamar Odom's $14 mil expiring after this season and Javaris Crittenton, which won't get you anyone else. I agree that your lineup looks better than the old one, but the real question is how much better is that lineup? Is it worth it to get that lineup and to completely lose all flexibility to improve maybe a couple of seeds and advance out of the first round and then get eliminated in the 2nd? Not to mention if you tell the Pacers to take or leave that trade, they will leave it. Pau Gasol certainly won't be an easier target then Jermaine O Neal. Gasol is already a better player(when healthy) and he's much younger than JO. Not to mention he just wants to get more talent(which they already have, I would say they are better than the Lakers talent wise) around him and hasn't demanded a deal, while JO has. They aren't seriously shopping Gasol unless you give up Kobe.</div> I know the Lakers will be at around the salary cap limit with Kobe/JO/LO alone but that is a good price to pay because you have three legitimate players that can bring you championship. Like I already mentioned above, one way or the other, the Lakers gonna have to pay the luxury tax if they want to be a contender. Teams can still use the MLE, LLE even if they're over the salary cap. Don't forget my aim of Kobe/JO/LO is to be competitive this year, but then next year is really should be our focus for championship.
I know its a long shot but would Indiana accept Kwame instead of Lamar... then we could prob get JO for Kwame and Bynum and then maybe pickup Marion with Odom... we would have Kobe, Shawn Marion, Jermaine Oneal, and garbage but still we could compete out west... Im trying to keep optimistic about the upcoming season :/
<div class="quote_poster">bruin007 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I know its a long shot but would Indiana accept Kwame instead of Lamar... then we could prob get JO for Kwame and Bynum and then maybe pickup Marion with Odom... we would have Kobe, Shawn Marion, Jermaine Oneal, and garbage but still we could compete out west... Im trying to keep optimistic about the upcoming season :/</div> The Lakers have been trying to trade Kwame instead of Odom and they don't accept. It's nearly impossible to do this trade though without trading Odom's $14 mil contract. Kwame Brown and Andrew Bynum equals 11,247,000. You need to get close to 16,753,500 to make the deal work(85% of JO's contract). It would be easy to just throw in Vladimir Radmonovics's salary, but no way the Pacers want his contract. So you would have to find out a way to get over 5.5 mil to make the deal work. Sasha Vujacic and Maurice Evans are the 2 most likely guys that the Pacers would take since they have expiring contracts. That's only 3.25 mil. That would leave the only other player that could get this trade to work is Brian Cook's 3.5 mil for 3 years contract that I doubt Indiana would want to take on. They could also sign and trade Walton or Mckie(but who really wants Mckie?) Odom/Bynum works under the salary cap, but without Odom in the trade you will lose your entire depth
wow...I cant believe you guys wanted this BS deal. I didnt want it the second I heard about it. Not so much that I held Bynum and Odom is really high regard but because i KNEW that JO was washed up. he's coming off surgery at the time and trying to talk himself up. Ive never had more red flags come up in my head about a trade. This was a stupid knee jerk reaction trade idea. I was open to trade ideas at the time but this was not even close to a good trade.. All that and his contract was RETARDED
I was a big Jermaine fan. I didn't want to believe he was washed up. :[ Oh well. :] I've already apologized about ownership :]
yeah...u had some crazed posts about this topic. I was indifferent about Jermaine before this trade rumor...i felt with almost 100% certainty he was done being a top big man
I never realized how serious his knee injuries were. I'm so glad that Mitch doesn't have my reactions!
