No rebounding wide open 3's allowed all night no perimeter d we made Blount look like KG James is the least productive center in the NBA 4 fouls in 7 minutes Crawford was out of control, Nate was taking bad shots the only guy was playng hyped up was Marbury, too bad he was ice cold on the FT line
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting j0se:</div><div class="quote_post">No rebounding wide open 3's allowed all night no perimeter d we made Blount look like KG James is the least productive center in the NBA 4 fouls in 7 minutes Crawford was out of control, Nate was taking bad shots the only guy was playng hyped up was Marbury, too bad he was ice cold on the FT line</div> Couldnt have said it better myself. The Celtics had sixteen more rebounds than we did which isnt too surprising since we dont really have any good rebounders(all of them gone via trade). Blount scored as many points on Curry as Curry scored on him. I'd hate to see what happens when we run into better low post players. Paul Pierce and Ricky Davis had their way with our perimeter defense and Delonte West had probably the best game of his life against Marbury. But there were some good things to take out of this game. Marbury was at least attempting to play the way Larry Brown wants which is a good sign. It's unfortunate though that he still cant hit big free throws to save his life. He went 5-12 from the free throw line which is pretty embarassing for a guard. Barnes looked okay in the starting line up and Richardson looks like he's healthy. All in all though Larry Brown has his work cut out for him. Anyway I think Isiah Thomas should be fired.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Crywalker:</div><div class="quote_post">Anyone else find this one a little over the top? They're talented, but not that talented.</div> It is very funny quote but look who said It anyway, that looked like a tough loss for the Knicks. Larry has alot of work to do to get the Knicks playing D. Curry has always been a great offensive player but his defense always lets him down.
If the Knicks want to make any kind of noise this year, they will need to play smarter. Rebounding and fouling were our two biggest problems. There's no reason any team should attempt 47 free throws. That's just unacceptable. Pierce is a very difficult match-up for anyone, but the Knicks fouled him way too much. It gets even worse when you consider he shot 33% from the field. Obviously Pierce was struggling, so why would you give him 24 free throw attempts? The rebounding was just as bad. We can't expect to win many games (if any) by getting outrebounded by 16. It's not as if the Knicks aren't capable, they were just getting outhustled on the boards. The Knicks got bigger and now there is no excuse - size is no longer an issue. What's ironic about this whole situation is despite our inability to board for our life, or play without fouling, we stuck in the game and fought Boston hard. Judging by those rebounding numbers, we should have been out of the game long before overtime. I was very happy to see the Knicks fight the way they did, but just as Larry Brown said, when overtime came, the Knicks got "discouraged" when things weren't going their way. There's a lot of work for the Knicks, but it isn't anything that's not correctable. If Brown gets them to play the right way, like he has done throughout his whole career, I think we'll be watching a much-improved Knicks team. I look forward to watching our home opener against the Wizards tommorow and see if we improved on anything from this meeting at Boston.
My computer was messed up so I couldn't post last night. The Knicks looked completely out of sync, which is to be expected of a team starting a season with a totally revamped roster, but the TOs we committed were just awful nonetheless. We played stupid basketball overall. The defense after the first quarter simply fell apart. Anyone else notice that on almost every single shot taken throughout the game that there was always a Celtic right under the hoop ready to take the rebound? Antonio Davis' statline lies. He was awful, he got the rebounds but that's all he can do. He made his shots too, I have to give him credit for that. But he seemed to break up a lot of our plays on offense, he made a couple of really stupid passes. I held my breath everytime he held the ball, fearing he would make either an idiotic pass, or that he would waste too much clock. He looked completely lost, and he seemed to be completely uninterested. Also he's clearly lost stamina, he just lobbed his arm out as opposed to moving his feet on defense several times. It was just awful to watch for me. Sure, he got some rebounds and some points, but he didn't play good basketball. It should take Brown a while to get this team to play ball the right way.
Antonio Davis played pretty good. He didnt play really good because he's barely practiced with the knicks and he has no chemistry with the team. nonetheless he still tied the game with 2 seconds to go. Overall the team didnt rebound the ball and thats because of chemistry and lack of communication. We actually couldve won the game in the 4th if marbury had called a TO with 2 seconds left. theres plenty of time to shoot.
Pretty good? Oh, I didn't realize that three unnecessary fouls coming as a result of laziness or lack of speed aren't bad. And not to mention the fact that he controlled the ball very little, but still managed three TOs. Oh, and the fact that at several points in the game he hesitated completley, thus letting seconds tick right off the clock, he looked confused - and it wasn't just because he is in a new setting. It's because he's getting older and it's harder for him to adapt, he's getting slower. He isn't as alert on offense and needs to control the ball better. Every players makes those kind of mistakes, I know. But he made many of them, and I somehow doubt he will be able to avoid making many of them over the course of the season. Looks to me like you're basing his "pretty good" performance solely on stats and his shot with 2 seconds remaining, and not on how he looked overall on the court with the Knicks.
Anyone who hits the gametying shot with 2 seconds to go to send the team into ot played very good. I dont care if he didnt score anypoints but those last 2 meant the most. He doesnt know when to take the shot because he doesnt know his teammates. Along with his passes and shot selection. Davis is a good player and you should be concentrating who did have a bad game which was Marbury and Crawford. Marbury missed 7 freethrows and Crawford had like 5 TO's. Besides all those things i just stated, Davis was 4-6 from the field. 9 pts, 2 steals, 7 rebounds, and 1 block is not bad for an old man.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Besides all those things i just stated, Davis was 4-6 from the field. 9 pts, 2 steals, 7 rebounds, and 1 block is not bad for an old man.</div> Oh, please. Then why play the old man? The guy got lucky with a couple of those boards landing right into his hands anyway. I figured Marbury's, Crawford's, and Curry's woes in the game were a given as a bad part of the game...seeing as though everyone else had already mentioned them. I tried to bring someone else into the mix. It doesn't matter as long as he hit that one shot? Well, he wouldn't have had to hit that shot if it weren't for some of those horrible fouls. By the way, remove the sig it's a violation of JBB Guidelines (advertising).
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Oh, please. Then why play the old man? The guy got lucky with a couple of those boards landing right into his hands anyway. I figured Marbury's, Crawford's, and Curry's woes in the game were a given as a bad part of the game...seeing as though everyone else had already mentioned them. I tried to bring someone else into the mix. It doesn't matter as long as he hit that one shot? Well, he wouldn't have had to hit that shot if it weren't for some of those horrible fouls. By the way, remove the sig it's a violation of JBB Guidelines (advertising).</div> Nothing in the NBA is lucky. He was in the right place at the right time because of his skills. He knows where to be because he's always been a good rebounder. The Old Man can still play. You shouldnt say someone is bad just because of their age. ZO is old but he's still a huge factor. No one mentioned Crawford or Marbury in the past posts. Crawford had several huge turnovers in the game and sometimes took his old bad shots. Altogether Marbury and Crawford combined for 11 TO's. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">It doesn't matter as long as he hit that one shot? Well, he wouldn't have had to hit that shot if it weren't for some of those horrible fouls.</div> This makes no sense at all. He hit the biggest shot in the game and you're not happy for that. What else did u want him to do in the game?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nothing in the NBA is lucky. He was in the right place at the right time because of his skills. He knows where to be because he's always been a good rebounder. The Old Man can still play. You shouldnt say someone is bad just because of their age. ZO is old but he's still a huge factor. No one mentioned Crawford or Marbury in the past posts. Crawford had several huge turnovers in the game and sometimes took his old bad shots. Altogether Marbury and Crawford combined for 11 TO's.</div> I didn't bother checking because I assumed (since it was extraordinarily obvious) that as soon as the game was over someone would have said something. My bad, I suppose. Davis was lucky, he didn't position himself for the rebound...do you understand that it was a long board and it literally went right at him? It happens sometimes, pal. And it's not positioning - often it's luck. That's how sometimes guys like Marbury (who rarely ever position themselves) manage to get four or five boards in a game - two or three drop right in front of them - it happens. I'm happy he hit that shot. But I'm not going to praise him for it, it was a nice shot - that's all. What else do I want him to do? Take control of the ball, don't waste so much damn time, and move your feet more on defense. That's what I want - if he had done those things he never would have needed to be in the position where he'd have to take the game-winning shot.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I didn't bother checking because I assumed (since it was extraordinarily obvious) that as soon as the game was over someone would have said something. My bad, I suppose. Davis was lucky, he didn't position himself for the rebound...do you understand that it was a long board and it literally went right at him? It happens sometimes, pal. And it's not positioning - often it's luck. That's how sometimes guys like Marbury (who rarely ever position themselves) manage to get four or five boards in a game - two or three drop right in front of them - it happens..</div> So, You're saying Davis shouldve let the ball go and not pick it up, simply because it was luck that the ball got there. Com on Man, Out of all ppl i wouldnt think you would play that Luck BS. Like I said 5-7 rebounds isnt bad for an old man, way past his prime. I think us Knicks fan are expecting alot from him. Davis is a simple great role player. He's not gonna drop 20 a night and grab 10 boards a game. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I'm happy he hit that shot. But I'm not going to praise him for it, it was a nice shot - that's all. What else do I want him to do? Take control of the ball, don't waste so much damn time, and move your feet more on defense. That's what I want - if he had done those things he never would have needed to be in the position where he'd have to take the game-winning shot.</div> I dont get what you're talking about position. Davis was posting up. Where did you expect him to be? In the 3pt line? The ball was either going 2 Marbury or Curry. The defense prevented it so Davis got the last shot. He didnt have much control of the ball but thats not his job. I don't see a guy wasting such much time and still going 4-6 from the field. Heck if Davis gives me that every night, then he can have all the time he wants.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> So, You're saying Davis shouldve let the ball go and not pick it up, simply because it was luck that the ball got there. Com on Man, Out of all ppl i wouldnt think you would play that Luck BS. Like I said 5-7 rebounds isnt bad for an old man, way past his prime. I think us Knicks fan are expecting alot from him. Davis is a simple great role player. He's not gonna drop 20 a night and grab 10 boards a game.</div> What the hell? The fact of the matter is that he fought for maybe 5 of those boards. Period - that's how many he worked for. For an old guy, that's good - but for a starting PF that's extremely weak. I'm not looking at him as an old guy - I see him as the man that started at the 4 for us last night. And the man that started didn't get the job done nicely - age doesn't matter. If he's too old then he shouldn't have started. I expected nothing out of him, but others really did think he'd be a strong contributor - I'm making the point that I don't think that he will be a strong contributor to the Knicks. Sure, he'll be ok. But don't expect anything - because if you do, you'll probably be let down. That's my message. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont get what you're talking about position. Davis was posting up. Where did you expect him to be? In the 3pt line? The ball was either going 2 Marbury or Curry. The defense prevented it so Davis got the last shot. He didnt have much control of the ball but thats not his job. I don't see a guy wasting such much time and still going 4-6 from the field. Heck if Davis gives me that every night, then he can have all the time he wants.</div> What? By "position" I meant the "position" in which he'd have to take the last shot. Perhaps you would better understand "situation". He never would have had to have been in the situation in which he'd have to bury the tying shot, if only he didn't make so many costly errors. Understand now?
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">What the hell? The fact of the matter is that he fought for maybe 5 of those boards. Period - that's how many he worked for. For an old guy, that's good - but for a starting PF that's extremely weak. I'm not looking at him as an old guy - I see him as the man that started at the 4 for us last night. And the man that started didn't get the job done nicely - age doesn't matter. If he's too old then he shouldn't have started. I expected nothing out of him, but others really did think he'd be a strong contributor - I'm making the point that I don't think that he will be a strong contributor to the Knicks. Sure, he'll be ok. But don't expect anything - because if you do, you'll probably be let down. That's my message.</div> Ok, You trash Davis so who would you rather want starting? Undersized Taylor who can get u 3 rebounds or Malik who cant do any better. How about Frye? Or as you like 2 call him. Mr. Softey. I also think your taking the 1st game way too seriously. The 1st game, Players are going 2 be rusty and so will the chemistry. I dont get why your doubting and thrashing a guy after he gave you 9 and 7. Thats so much better then wat Frye, Lee, Rose, or Taylor can do. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">What? By "position" I meant the "position" in which he'd have to take the last shot. Perhaps you would better understand "situation". He never would have had to have been in the situation in which he'd have to bury the tying shot, if only he didn't make so many costly errors. Understand now?</div> Your Going back to Point A again. What position or Situation did u want him to be in? The guy made the shot, so where should he have been? Costly errors because of lack of chemistry. This was his first regular season game with NYK. Perhaps you would better learn how to cut a guy some slack.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">The 1st game, Players are going 2 be rusty and so will the chemistry. </div> If I may jump in, players shouldnt be rusty they hade the freiking PRESEASON!! That should be no excuse for not playing well. And how can chemistry be rusty when there never was any chemistry in the first place because of all the newcomers. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I dont get why your doubting and thrashing a guy after he gave you 9 and 7. Thats so much better then wat Frye, Lee, Rose, or Taylor can do.</div> 9 and 7 are not good stats for a starting power forward. on a high school team. period.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting JWohl:</div><div class="quote_post">If I may jump in, players shouldnt be rusty they hade the freiking PRESEASON!! That should be no excuse for not playing well. And how can chemistry be rusty when there never was any chemistry in the first place because of all the newcomers. 9 and 7 are not good stats for a starting power forward. on a high school team. period.</div> FIRST OF ALL DAVIS ONLY PLAYED ONE PRESEASON GAME. AND HE BARELY PRACTICED WITH THE KNICKS. THATS HOW HE'S GOING 2 BE RUSTY. YOU PUT A GUY INTO A WHOLE NEW TEAM THAT DOESNT HAVE CHEMISTRY AND YOU'RE GOING 2 HAVE PROBLEMS. 9/7 for a new PF in a team including the GW shot is pretty good to me. Like I said Jwohl, Put Taylor, Frye, or Rose in that position. See how many boards they grab.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Ok, You trash Davis so who would you rather want starting? Undersized Taylor who can get u 3 rebounds or Malik who cant do any better. How about Frye? Or as you like 2 call him. Mr. Softey. I also think your taking the 1st game way too seriously. The 1st game, Players are going 2 be rusty and so will the chemistry. I dont get why your doubting and thrashing a guy after he gave you 9 and 7. Thats so much better then wat Frye, Lee, Rose, or Taylor can do.p</div> I don't think any of them could do much better. My "trashing" of him was done for one reason - to calm down all the guys who thought he'd be a true contributor on the team. That was the only reason I made that point, because some people seemed to think that he'd be a very good player for the Knicks - Im shooting that arguement down, saying that he will be just another bench-qaulity PF. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post"> Your Going back to Point A again. What position or Situation did u want him to be in? The guy made the shot, so where should he have been? Costly errors because of lack of chemistry. This was his first regular season game with NYK. Perhaps you would better learn how to cut a guy some slack.</div> Listen to me. Now. This is the last time. Davis put himself in the position to take the last shot. How? He made tons of mistakes on offense and made some stupid fouls. If he only had controlled the ball even slightly better, or had he only moved his feet more on defense he probably never would have had to take that last shot. I'm saying he never should have been in that position, the Knicks should have been ahead. I'm not only blaming Davis, everyone was weak - but don't get the wrong idea, Davis should not get off easy just because he made that shot, he should not get off easy just because he's older. No matter what, he started at the power forward for the Knicks, he played very poorly, I'm just ensuring that his poor play does not go unnoticed. While it was easy to detect the poor play of others such as Marbury or Crawford - you had to notice the fact that Davis was pretty weak too last night. And since his bad performance was overshadowed by that shot (that he never should have had to have taken in the first place) it has also been overshadowed by the even worse performances on the part of Marbury and Crawford. So I'm simply making sure that Davis' performance goes noted down as weak - as it deserves to. There's nothing more left to argue. You got what I gave you. It should make sense to you now why I made that post about Davis, so we should now have reached an understanding. edit:GotSkillz, I just read your response to Jwohl. You used tons of capital letters throughout a sentence or two. Another violation of JBB guidelines. Please watch what you're doing and be more careful. Thanks.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think any of them could do much better. My "trashing" of him was done for one reason - to calm down all the guys who thought he'd be a true contributor on the team. That was the only reason I made that point, because some people seemed to think that he'd be a very good player for the Knicks - Im shooting that arguement down, saying that he will be just another bench-qaulity PF.</div> Nobody said he was going 2 be our main scorer or Rebounder. We said that he's going 2 be a solid role player then the knicks. He can do NOW, what Curry, Rose, and the rest of the undersized crew can't. I never said he's going 2 be very good. I stated my point that the guy is rusty and doesnt even know his teammates. Even with that he put up 9/7. The knicks dont need much offense from davis. We have plentry of offense in the lineup already. I dont see Davis going 2 the bench. He's our best PF in the team. <div class="quote_poster">Quoting Knicks Analyst:</div><div class="quote_post">Listen to me. Now. This is the last time. Davis put himself in the position to take the last shot. How? He made tons of mistakes on offense and made some stupid fouls. If he only had controlled the ball even slightly better, or had he only moved his feet more on defense he probably never would have had to take that last shot. I'm saying he never should have been in that position, the Knicks should have been ahead. I'm not only blaming Davis, everyone was weak - but don't get the wrong idea, Davis should not get off easy just because he made that shot, he should not get off easy just because he's older. No matter what, he started at the power forward for the Knicks, he played very poorly, I'm just ensuring that his poor play does not go unnoticed. While it was easy to detect the poor play of others such as Marbury or Crawford - you had to notice the fact that Davis was pretty weak too last night. And since his bad performance was overshadowed by that shot (that he never should have had to have taken in the first place) it has also been overshadowed by the even worse performances on the part of Marbury and Crawford. So I'm simply making sure that Davis' performance goes noted down as weak - as it deserves to. There's nothing more left to argue. You got what I gave you. It should make sense to you now why I made that post about Davis, so we should now have reached an understanding.</div> So Davis cost us the game. May I repeat the Knicks missed 15 freethrows, Let up tons of offensive rebounds, and 22 TO's. Thats the recipe for a loss. EDIT: can you not bold letters constantly. Its violates everyones guidelines.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GotSkillz92:</div><div class="quote_post">FIRST OF ALL DAVIS ONLY PLAYED ONE PRESEASON GAME. AND HE BARELY PRACTICED WITH THE KNICKS. THATS HOW HE'S GOING 2 BE RUSTY. YOU PUT A GUY INTO A WHOLE NEW TEAM THAT DOESNT HAVE CHEMISTRY AND YOU'RE GOING 2 HAVE PROBLEMS. </div> Firstly capitilizing your post doesnt make you come off as powerful, intimidating or a 'big man' it makes you look foolish. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">9/7 for a new PF in a team including the GW shot is pretty good to me. Like I said Jwohl, Put Taylor, Frye, or Rose in that position. See how many boards they grab.</div> 9/7 is pretty good to you? wow your standards must be pretty low..... I'm glad you aren't our GM ..... if that is "pretty good" to you then give me an example of a bad starting PF in the league. Please. Give me a starter that does worse than that. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">including the GW shot</div> He hit the game winning shot? We won?! Really? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So Davis cost us the game. May I repeat the Knicks missed 15 freethrows, Let up tons of offensive rebounds, and 22 TO's. Thats the recipe for a loss.</div> Would you, perchance, like to elaborate on some of Davis's other stats other than his 9/7 you are so fond of? 5 fouls. 3 turnovers from a PF!! No blocks. In about the same amount of minutes as Raef + Jefferson the two of them put together put up 17-17.
Gotskillz, is this a joke? Davis was awful, he was not a solid role player. He was terrible, did we watch the same game? I doubt you even watched it from your posts. He was very bad. Period. End of story, especially for a starter. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">So Davis cost us the game. May I repeat the Knicks missed 15 freethrows, Let up tons of offensive rebounds, and 22 TO's. Thats the recipe for a loss.</div> Excuse me, but did I not say that it was the fault of the Knicks....Crawford, Marbury and others? I said that it was all of the Knicks' faults! But that many people said that Davis was good, like you. They said this because they look at stats, not the game. They see that he hit a big shot - so is he excused from playing 30 minutes very poorly? No! He was awful, he got off easy because Curry, Marbury, and Crawford were all even worse. Davis deserves to be cited as a weak link, he showed he was one. That's what I was doing, showing that. Do you get it now? After all of this? Read my last post over and read this one, I said basically the same thing. Please read my posts more carefully, I think I deserve at least that much.
