Lanny, I realize the south has and still is racist in many area's and I have spent time there and do have relatives there too. I acknowledge the awfulness of that kind of conduct weather its in Mobile Alabama or Lake Oswego, Happy Valley where I live. At the same time and my point was that the MS13 murderous trail that is being layed is another abomination of humanity yet many are silent regarding them too just like those that turned their heads with racism regardless where. That's all.
But what's the point? We argue over politics because we each have some influence, however tiny, on election results. In theory, we might be able to convince one another to change our vote. None of us get a vote on gang membership. Nothing we do or say will have any effect on gangs. None of us are likely to join a gang, with or without the encouragement of other posters. None of us are likely to interact with gang members, other than @MarAzul , who gives them a beatdown on a regular basis. So we can all agree that murderous gangs are bad, but we can also agree that giant meteors striking the earth, or any number of other things, are bad. barfo
This is close to, too stupid to survive. I would say, you may learn better, but no one deserves the encounter.
There you go again barf, exaggerating. Only once did I encounter these assholes. Ha! perhaps because I took the advise of the police and stayed out of town (Oxnard). But, going back to SO Cal this fall. We shall see. WTF is so hard to understand here in Portland town about these assholes? Is it so simple as you can't touch them, so they don't exist? You can't believe a report? PS More likely to run into Antifa in Portland. I guess I avoided it by a day, on 5th and Madison.
I'm not going to defend MS13 but I do want to put things in perspective. They are not the salient problem in gangs. According to the FBI there are, at most, 8,000 to 10,000 member of MS13 in the U.S. That's less than 1% of total gang membership in our country. Trump is using this to appeal to his base by trying to make a big deal out of a smaller problem. That's his modus operandi. Before that it was ISIS infiltrating our border. Before that it was all the Muslims entering our country. Before that it was all the people from 'shithole' countries. But it's never been the violent KKK or Nazis or White supremacists. And why is that? It's because they appeal to his feeble minded base from which he garners most of his votes. Sure, MS13 is a problem, a nasty problem, but they are not alone as a problem. We've got thousands of gangs to contend with.
Understand but if you research the difference of MS13 and other gangs here, it will better put it in perspective. If ebola started to spread here in small numbers, I wouldn't think it would matter what your political preference is, we as a people would jump on it in quick fashion as we all know how potent the disease is.
Funny you should mention ebola. One of my doctors happens to be a personal friend of the guy who is responsible for all infectious disease in the United States, Dr. Faucci of the Center for Disease Control. While ebola is a nasty disease, it's by far not the only nasty disease we face, much like MS13 is not the only nasty gang we face. I think the fear of MS13 is overblown and the result of people trying to politically exploit the fear factor. There's a lot of criminal activity in the United States to fear but MS13 is only a small fraction.
Which ones can you deport and solve the problem? Only one I can think of at the moment. Perhaps you could also do ISIS.
Although if you do ISIS then you will have the gang of four on your ass. Lhan Omar defended the Somali's that joined ISIS. Antifa? Naw, mostly Americans, can't send them anywhere.
I hope you are not implying that Im a fearful person that only has been exploited for political purpose's? No brainer that there is a lot of criminal activity, my brother in law is a Homicide detective and he would tell you that MS13 members are by are far more ruthless and blood thirstier than most gangs. Its a good thing they are being rounded up and deported.
Read the fine print on your passport. If you join a foreign military you can be stripped of your citizenship.
Yes, this is true. But then when you do that, you become their citizen not ours. I guess I should have said, you can not deport your citizens under international law. But then again you can if they are not natural born. I think the point is, you can not create a person without a country but cutting them for yours. They do belong somewhere, incorrigible as they maybe.
