Politics Selling a gun without completing a background check is now a crime in New Mexico

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  1. Lanny

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    “Ideologically motivated homicide incidents” whatever the fuck that word salad actually means, make up a an extremely small fraction of overall gun homocides. That term sounds like a carefully crafted phrase where the creators of it get to pick their own criteria as to what qualifies. You can cherry pick made up bullshit statistics all you want, but gun violence isn’t some exclusively white problem, like you and dviss are trying to insinuate. Keep doing mental gymnastics to try and prove incorrect points, you just discredit yourself more.
     
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    How do you know it's a small fraction, if you don't know what the words mean?

    I don't think anyone suggested gun violence was a white problem. They suggested gun terrorism is a white problem.

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    He wasn’t talking about gun violence. You questioned his stat on terrorist attacks. Terrorist attacks seems to line up pretty well with Ideologically motivated homicide incidents.
     
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    This law seems like a good law but won’t have enough effect until other states adopt similar laws. The way it stands now, the legitimate sales will continue with background checks while shady ones will simple cross over to Arizona, Utah, Texas, Colorado or Kansas. That’s why firearm regulations really need to be implemented nationally. Perhaps even a national law that says a firearm may only be sold in the state where the seller resides. That’s just an off the cuff idea, but it might help states to actually be able to make and enforce gun legislation on their terms.
     
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    Give me some evidence that ideological homicide makes up on a small fraction so I can be sure that you're not just fantasizing. It's your assertion, you back it up.
     
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    Here’s a quote from the same “START” group you got your info from:

    “New study compares ideologically motivated homicides in United States

    Victims of far-right and al-Qaida influenced extremists more unique than similar
    March 2, 2016Jessica Rivinius
    Over the last 25 years in the United States, those inspired by al-Qaida and its associated movement (AQAM) have killed nearly seven-and-a-half times more people than far-right extremists have killed in one-fifth as many incidents...”


    The Wikipedia article you referenced entitled “Far right terrorism” got its info from START. The author of the Wikipedia page cherry-picked data from an arbitrary window of time, purposely leaving out key incidents to reflect data concurrent with his stance. It’s amazing what you’ll find when you dig just a little deeper. Turns out a lot of these alarmist groups are full of shit, who would’ve thought.

    Also, when it comes to overall murders your stat completely falls into obscurity. There have been 500 murders at the hands of “right wing extremists” since 1990, according to Seattle University. There were nearly 17,000 murders last year alone and that number gets higher year by year as you make your way back to 1990, where the number was over 23,000. We’re talking hundred of thousands.

    Like I said, small fraction.
     
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    FBI statistics rate far Right terrorists as the majority of terrorist incidents.

    Edit: "After the Charlottesville events, we wondered about the latest numbers on domestic terrorism. How many attacks have there been, and who caused them?

    A recent government report shows that from Sept. 12, 2001, to Dec. 31, 2016, there were 85 deadly attacks in the United States by violent extremists.

    Most of the attacks were carried out by far-right violent extremists."

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-...k-data-domestic-terrorism-and-whos-behind-it/

    https://qz.com/1435885/data-shows-more-us-terror-attacks-by-right-wing-and-religious-extremists/

    https://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-extremism-islamist-terrorism-donald-trump-steve-bannon-628381

    And this from the FBI:
    https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/testimony/the-terrorist-threat-confronting-the-united-states
     
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    Why do you think they chose September 12, 2001 to start logging that data, Lanny?

    Hint: Islamic terrorists killed 3,000 people the day before that.

    If you’re willing to be completely dishonest you can always make statistics work in your favor.

    I’ve been sober since that beer I just drank.
     
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    How many Jihadist attacks have we had since? What? Zero?
    Okay, now how many far Right extremist have we had since? Lots?
    Talk about hard headed, did you notice what the FBI said?
     
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    San Bernardino, Boston bombing off the top of my head.

    Why doesn’t 9/11 count? That’s been your go-to boogeyman event on here more than once, when you’re defending interventionism. Do you conveniently forget about it when it muttles your statistics?

    I’m done trying to discredit your intellectual dishonesty and bent statistics.

    I won’t be responding to you any more on this subject.
     
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    9-11 doesn't count because it was 18 years ago and not reflecting today's threats which are coming from the Right. Did you pay attention to what the FBI said?
    Talk about dishonest. You aren't even honest enough to open your mind to the FACTS.
    Okay, enough of this. You are officially hopeless.
     
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