Senate to vote on gun bill tomorrow

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  1. mook

    mook The 2018-19 season was the best I've seen

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    Every time, always, forever?

    Obviously not. Laws matter. Restrictions matter. Or else there wouldn't be any.

    Just look at suicidal people. I've known a few, and one remarkable trait is the sense that they just give up on everything. It's all too much of a goddamned hassle. If somebody in that state of mind tries to buy a gun to shoot himself and is thwarted by a background check, there's a definite chance they'll just give up.
     
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    Why really have any laws, then? When people will break them.
    Yes, some will steal a gun. Some will not, and instead go with a knife, like the attack mentioned above. Thing is, in that attack, nobody died from the knife wounds. What if he had easy access to a gun?
     
  3. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Every time, always and forever. Indeed!

    Laws do matter. Laws against killing don't prevent killing, they're just applied after the fact as remedy (penalty).
     
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    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    Funny thing is if they outlawed guns, there'd immediately be hundreds of millions of people breaking the law (owning guns). Funny how that works, eh?
     
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    They don't prevent it 100% of the time, no. And I bet no law is 100% effective. So again, why bother?
     
  6. Denny Crane

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    Exactly. Make laws penalizing people for using guns in a bad way and prosecute.

    There's the win.

    You don't prevent anything other than people having freedom.
     
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    do you think anyone should be allowed to own guns, felons, etc.?
     
  8. Denny Crane

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    Felons do own guns.

    It isn't a question of "should be allowed."

    Wouldn't it be smart that when they're caught with a gun they shouldn't have, they're thrown in jail, mandatory, for 25 years?
     
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    Do you think they should be allowed to purchase guns like anyone else?
     
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    Better example would be a background check on women before they can have sex.
     
  11. Denny Crane

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    If they get caught with the gun, it's 25 years? Sure, they can purchase them.

    Once you've committed a felony, you lose some rights. But you can't penalize hundreds of millions of honest people for the acts of a very small number of bad guys.
     
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    who is being penalized? a background check is not a penalty.
     
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    According to mook, he would have committed suicide. I'm okay with that.
     
  14. Denny Crane

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    Sure it is. It's an invasion of privacy and a form of intimidation.
     
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    It is an infringement on the right to bear arms.

    It's sole purpose is to identify and gather information on which citizens own guns.

    The sole purpose of gathering info on armed citizens is to make it easier to disarm them.
     
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    so eliminate all background checks then? anyone who wants can buy guns free and clear. ok.
     
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    According to mook it'such an overwhelming nightmare of an ordeal that a suicidal person would rather live out their tortured existence than go through the hassle of an instant background check.
     
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    The one thing that anti-gun or pro gun-control people don't seem to understand is that enacting gun laws do not achieve what they think it achieves. Name one major shooting in the past year that would have been prevented by having background checks?

    Clackamas? Nope. He stole the gun from a friend.

    Newtown? Nope. He stole the guns from his mother.

    The only thing that a waiting period or background checks would accomplish is stopping someone from a crime of passion. These shootings that have everyone up in arms are planned, they are not something that is thrown together at the last minute.

    Do I care if they put more background checks on purchasing guns? It doesn't affect me, but I'm not the one you should be worried about and that's the whole point. The only people who will be affected by more gun control are the people who actually follow the law. If someone wants to kill people, they will either steal a gun or find another way. I get that people want to feel like they're doing something. They want to feel like they tried to prevent further attacks like Newtown and Clackamas, but these laws won't have any affect on those types of shootings. None whatsoever. We should be putting this energy and effort into better detection and support for mentally ill people, the real problem behind these attacks.
     
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    Yes. That is correct.
     
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    Yep. Eliminate all background checks on women seeking abortion, too. Anyone who wants can get one.

    (Not free and clear, but freely).
     

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