Senate to vote on gun bill tomorrow

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  1. Denny Crane

    Denny Crane It's not even loaded! Staff Member Administrator

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    See the opening post?
     
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    Your abortion analogy is just stupid Denny. Background checks are designed to stop people, potentially dangerous, from buying a gun. Your background check on abortions prevents what from whom? It's not the same thing, try again.
     
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    I think I even remember reading somewhere that the kid from Newtown actually was rejected when he tried to buy a gun, and he still ended up stealing a gun.
     
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    That's how they're being sold. In reality, they're an intrusion on peoples' privacy, liberty, and a form of intimidation.

    Just as putting any obstacle in the way of a woman seeking an abortion is meant to discourage her in some manner. That's why the analogy is quite good. In both cases, people are seeking to do something (abortion, buy a gun) that's outright legal and a fundamental constitutional right.
     
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    No, they aren't. See my previous post on the sole purpose of background checks.
     
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    so you don't think there should be any background checks, and anyone who wants can walk in to, say, WalMart and buy a gun and go home with it that day, no questions asked?
     
  7. Denny Crane

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    http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-m...ught-guns-6000/story?id=16817842#.UWXu7L_x4n0

    Suspected Colorado movie theater gunman James Holmes purchased four guns at local shops and more than 6,000 rounds of ammunition on the Internet in the past 60 days, Aurora Police Chief Dan Oates told a news conference this evening.

    "All the ammunition he possessed, he possessed legally, all the weapons he possessed, he possessed legally, all the clips he possessed, he possessed legally," an emotional Oates said.

    ...

    An honors student and Ph.D. candidate at a nearby college with a clean arrest record, Holmes allegedly entered the movie auditorium wearing a ballistics helmet, bulletproof vest, bulletproof leggings, gas mask and gloves. He detonated multiple smoke bombs, and then began firing at viewers in the sold-out auditorium, police said today.

    (I guess we should turn down Ph.D. candidates? like wtf?)
     
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    exactly.
     
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    Next thing you know, blacks will want to own land and vote.
     
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    magnifier661 B-A-N-A-N-A-S!

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    Wow, that pretty much sums it up right there.
     
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    maybe if his therapist who thought he was a threat, and reported him to campus police had also put him on the NICS, he wouldn't have been able to.
     
  12. Denny Crane

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    Awesome. Let's have citizens spy on other citizens and report any suspicious activity to the SS.
     
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    MSNBC anchors praise compromise as if it's a good thing. I don't get that, either.

    Consider I want to buy your house. So I offer you $100 for it (ridiculous!) and you aren't even interested in selling. So what is a compromise? $200? Someone loses big time. Except the guy who wants to buy the house (the MSNBC crowd and their sycophants).
     
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    The number of guns sold without checks is tiny compared to those purchased with background checks. None of the killings that have supposedly prompted this urgency for more control would have been prevented by more background checks.

    No to selling felons guns. No to felons stealing guns without a background check, and that's how felon's tend to get them.

    Go Blazers
     
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    IMO, the majority of Americans females don't view abortion as "killing", or else they wouldn't be able to do it in most cases. (About 40% of US women will have an abortion in their lifetime.

    You've got kids, mook. Surely you have seen a sonogram of a third trimester pregnancy. Can you really say with a straight face that that isn't a baby, and if you abort it, it is killing a baby?

    I can follow the logic of not killing for a short time after conception and say maybe that's not killing. But once there is a heartbbeat? Come on.

    I know five women that admit to having an abortion. They all have serious remorse and regrets about it. I don't think they would have that kind of regret if they truly believe that they only killed a few cells in their body. (I know that is anecdotal, and maybe not represent the majority of women....just my experience.)

    For the record, I don't want women to have to submit to background checks, even though I believe it is killing a baby. I just have a really hard time with having the government tell women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. That's the ONLY reason I can support pro-choice.

    Go Blazers
     
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    Tiny? I dunno. I think it's a pretty large percentage. Some estimate as high as 40%, but I doubt that. Still, it's greater than like 1-5%.
    I understand they might not have stopped past crimes. They might prevent different future ones.
    As to no to selling felons guns, how do you not without a background check?
    And I'd prefer a felon having to break the law to acquire a gun, increasing the odds of catching them, as opposed to giving them the ability to purchase a gun in the store.
     
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    I would be just fine with the laws we have now, even though the bg checks are an infringement on my rights. There are already laws to deal with felons with guns. If you're worried about that, lobby for a mandatory long term prison sentence for felons when they are caught with a gun.

    Stop penalizing law abiding citizens for what criminals and insane people do.

    Do you think there should be a background check for knives?

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    If you're fine with the laws they have, including the background checks, how does having background checks at gun shows really change anything?
    Background checks for knives is like opponents of gay marriage saying we should be able to marry farm animals.
     
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    If you lock up everyone before they commit some crime, it's ok?

    Sheesh, that's not even some extreme.
     
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    Sounds like a movie I once saw "minority report"
     

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