Politics Serious question for democrats

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  1. Denny Crane

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    I rarely have the patience to spend 5 minutes to look at your links. I only did it this time because Magnifier directed me to another thread, to excuse the nonsense of this thread's opening post.

    But when I do spend a couple of minutes looking at one of your links, I always find very fallible numbers that you haven't examined, and that you still won't, after my prodding.

    So this time, your excuse is that your source leaves out half the expenses, so that must be overhead, even though it already lists all expenses anyone can think of, and there can't be any more. Okay.
     
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    My source is the US Census. If you can find the Census says otherwise, I'll stand corrected. But you can't, so you blather about my sources.

    If they take in $12000 and spend $6000 on actual education, the rest of the money is isn't being spent on actual education. You can't get around the facts.
     
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    You now say this mystery source graph (I've been posting about the numbers under the bars) comes from the Census. Can you show me the link from where you got it?

    http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/3595333/
     
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    So to review, Democrats hate unborn children and Republicans hate poor children.

    Neither party feels it's important to educate children.
     
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    100% this! Welcome to America!
     
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    Okay, we're making progress. The Koch site's page does not have the word "overhead" anywhere, so it's your interpretation. It lists 3 expenses: Instruction Spending, General Administration, and School Administration. You say there is a 4th cost, Overhead. Can you list some components of that Overhead not already included in the 3 expenses they list?

    For example, capital building projects, interest expense on those loans, transfers to noneducation government components, and saving for future pensions. Private companies have to give pensions to degreed employees they keep for decades, just like schools. They also have to borrow to build buildings. What is your analysis of what is costing too much? Do you have anything to say, other than Republican whining that Democrats should figure it all out? Conservatives want to manage, but they don't know how, so they get others to do the work while they sit there and criticize everyone for not working hard enough.
     
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    You lose even more credibility when you call it "the Koch site."

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    Benefits (pension) are included in the $6400 figure.

    They don't itemize "support services" overhead that's above and beyond paying the janitors and principals and board of education members. It's money not being spent on teaching the kids.
     
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    Where does your source say that administrative expense doesn't include support services, or is this your speculation?

    Edit: Looking at that latest spreadsheet, the numbers don't sum horizontally. What is missing? Overhead, I suppose? Where does it say that?
     
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    In the footnotes.

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    You are so lucky that a Blazer game is starting right now! Bye!
     
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    I concede they have to pay rent and power and water and insurance and gas for the school buses. Those amounts are less than 10% of the $12,000 they take in.

    They do sit on a lot of cash, too.
     
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    Holy Cats! A full half is going down the tube!!
     
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    Bribes expense! You forgot bribes expense!

    Anyway...you need to find a source in which the numbers add up without missing holes. Then you'll be more convincing. If you think that schools aren't run efficiently, then you should find examples of them failing audits. Something, anything. Your current source sucks. You don't seem motivated.

    I think you're just blowing smoke to raise board hits. So take a hit and THEN blow smoke.
     
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    I reviewed the books of the Mountain View School District for 4 years, and attended all the school board meetings.

    They spent every dollar in their budget. If they didn't, the state would take it from them and spend it on something else. Money that was in their capital budget could not be used to build a science lab or computer lab or library. The $millions in that budget did get swept away by the state government each year.
     
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    Nonsense. If you rent, you pay 100% of the property tax for that property. You pay it to your landlord monthly and he passes it on to the government in November.

    Unless you're homeless, or pastor of a church, you pay property taxes.
     

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