Politics Sessions personally asked Congress to let him prosecute medical marijuana providers

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  1. MarAzul

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    Right! Having all the school teachers push it is even worse.
     
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    In Oregon the state taxes on Beer, Wine, Hard Liquor, and Cigarettes needs to be raised to the same 25% as Marijuana. Why should different "sins" be taxed at different rates?

    The additional revenue should go to roads and schools.
     
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    You guys understand that weed will always be an issue regardless of what president there is? Hillary had an issue with it, they all do. Why? don't know, it's insane. The way the OT section handles politics is kind of insane. I get it, trump isn't a great president but at least be fair about it. Both sides have good things about them and really bad things but it seems the mainstream media have had influence as well on the OT section since everything I read is all about trump, haven't seen one person who hates trump here, objectively look at their side and point out the bad things. That's a bad sign
     
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    you fell asleep and drove right into the swamp with this one......I pay the same tax you do dude.....but it's your bubble!
     
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    Interesting take Sly.
    Oregon ranks 19th in pay according to this website.
    http://www.deseretnews.com/top/3230/7/Oregon-States-that-pay-elementary-teachers-the-most-.html
    But I heard on the Radio in the last few days, it is now 2nd. True or not I don't know.

    Booze in Oregon is higher than most States thanks to the State selling it.
    Taxes on Cigs is atrocious in Oregon. I quit about 12 years ago so I am not really up todate, but the taxes on it must be 400-500 percent now. The last time I bought cigs in North Carolina
    the price was $14 for a carton. The same cigs in Oregon were $42 , the difference was all Oregon tax. So you want 25% now? And 25% on a State set price for booze?

    Sound like a man that loves tax.

    What Pay Ranking in the Nation should we be at with paying the Teachers? Notice their rank in the Nation for results. One thing you should do is look into where in the State, the State spends all this money on Schools. Then figure out why it works that way. Really interesting.
     
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    This actually isn't true. Obama ordered the feds to back off on pot enforcement. That was a significant change of direction.

    And probably 20 years from now it won't be an issue at all, other than deciding how much to tax it.

    Ok... Trump isn't a great president, he's awful. He is the only one we've got, though, so I'm not sure what you mean. We shouldn't talk about the president?
    We should say 'well, in an alternate universe where someone else was president, they might have some unspecified issues that they would be criticized for'? If so, then sure, agreed. The unspecified alternative president has issues! Bad alternative president!

    Name three for each side.

    Democrats are completely out of power. Republicans control all three branches of the government. So naturally they are the subject of discussion.

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    Again, I'm not saying that I want an amendment. We both agree that immigration rules and federal drug policy are under the President's authority, I have no problem with that. What I have a problem with is the way he chooses to execute that authority. As Trump said in the video that Denny posted above, "That is a state issue". All I was saying was that I wish he took that stance on some other items as well. Just because someone has the "authority" to do something doesn't necessarily mean they should. Am I allowed an opinion without wanting to amend the constitution? :smiley-hmm:
     
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    Absolutely.
     
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    meh..Sessions has bigger fish to fry than to waste time on something like this. As an aside, I do not remember if I have mentioned this, but the state has purchased a multi story building in salem..some may remember it as an insurance company..and have remodeled an office for Kate Brown on the top floor. The Cost of her office alone was 1.2 Million. This building is being used to collect all of the taxes on pot at this time. All of the taxes are collected in cash..word from inside is that A) They dont even know how much money they have taken in. B) It is being ran like a mafia casino operation, where large sum of cash are being funneled off to pet projects.
     
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    Right he did do that with the feds and I applauded that but guess what? weed is still legal in a shit ton of states and a lot of the states are still illegal under federal law as well so yeaaaaaaaaaaaaahh
     
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    It's a mess...they won't even bank it..I have no doubt somebody is skimming off the top of the pot..:)
     
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    So yeah. Maybe you don't see this as progress or change but I think it's pretty significant.

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    Weed should be fully legal everywhere. I mean sure you might find it as progress but once again over 40 states is both illegal and federal so while it was a minor change, wasn't much. People still getting crazy sentences over fucking weed
     
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    It's weird watching episodes of Cops and seeing them jack people the fuck up over weed.
     
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    it's disgusting. These politicians are ancient. I would completely make alcohol illegal before I would weed. Weed actually helps people. BUT THAT PROFIT THOUGH!

    it's so crazy and ass backwards
     
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    Legalized marijuana is making it harder for police to search your car

    Drug policy experts often say that the health risks of marijuana use are relatively minor compared to the steep costs of marijuana enforcement: expensive policing, disrupted lives, violence and even death.

    Law enforcement agencies, however, have often been at the forefront of opposition to marijuana legalization. One reason is that the drug, with its pungent, long-lasting aroma, is relatively easy to detect in the course of a traffic stop or other routine interaction. It's an ideal pretext for initiating a search that otherwise wouldn't be justified — even if that search only turns up evidence of marijuana use and nothing more.

    New data on traffic stops in Colorado and Washington underscore this point: After the states legalized pot, traffic searches declined sharply across the board. That's according to the Open Policing Project at Stanford University, which has been analyzing public data of over 100 million traffic stops and searches since 2015.

    “After marijuana use was legalized, Colorado and Washington saw dramatic drops in search rates,” the study's authors explain. “That’s because many searches are drug-related. Take away marijuana as a crime and searches go down.”

    In Colorado and Washington, traffic searches of black, Hispanic and white drivers fell significantly after legalization, according to the Open Policing Project's analysis. That pattern didn't hold for states where marijuana use remained illegal.

    The Project's data encompasses traffic searches initiated for any reason but excludes searches following an arrest. This makes the data a good barometer of searches initiated at an officer's discretion. The numbers changed dramatically after legalization, as we see in the above chart, suggesting, as the researches do, that suspected marijuana use is often a factor in these searches.

    As the chart also shows, legalization didn't eliminate racial disparities in the searches. Black and Hispanic motorists are still searched at considerably higher rates than white motorists. But following legalization, they are searched less often than they were before.

    In 2014 a Washington Post investigation detailed how highway police often use suspicion of marijuana as justification to search drivers' vehicles and ultimately seize cash and property from them, regardless of whether any drugs are ultimately found. From 2002 to 2012, the federal government seized roughly $1 billion in cash and other assets related to marijuana cases, according to the Wall Street Journal.

    That figure doesn't include seizures made by state and local law enforcement authorities who handle most of the nation's drug enforcement.

    If legalization leads to fewer searches, that means fewer seizures of cash and property, which could have a significant negative impact on the finances of police departments that have come to rely on those seizures to pad their budgets.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ce-to-search-your-car/?utm_term=.dbdfdd2b08de
     
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    oh cry me a river..they are worried about the reduction of funding from seizures...pissshhhh...all the taxes on pot will more than make up for it
     
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    Whoa! Take it easy on what ever is jacking you up!
     
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    Well, when I was your age (whatever age that is) it was illegal in all 50 states. So while I understand your impatience, political change takes time, but this particular thing is moving in the right direction (ignoring, for the moment, Sessions).

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    Yeah I see what you're saying but how many years will this really take? this shit should of been legal on both levels years ago. I am 25 so when I was growing up it obviously was illegal everywhere and people made weed seem like it was the worst drug you could get into, all the misinformation on it. It's just ridiculous, so many people serving insane sentences over some weed. It's these ancient politicians who never understand because they aren't for the people, ever. I say legalize every drug, let people decide what the fuck they want, who is it harming besides themselves. While we are at it, make prostitution legal because that's not hurting anybody either, it's a paid service like anything else in this country.

    fuck it, make me president
     
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