Shannon Brown agrees to 2 years, 4.2 million with the Lakers.

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    If Bynum stays healthy he makes up for the loss of Lo easily.
     
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    They way Brian is talking about Trev's post season production, I could've sworn he put up 18 points, 7 boards, 2 steals, and 4 dimes a game.

    He put up 11 points. Shot almost 50% from three, and had a few big steals. Okay? That is easily replaceable. There are plenty of players that can be had for about the LLE or vet minimum that can put up those kind of numbers...especially if they're on the floor with Kobe.
     
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    Yeah definitely, Shannon and a half-speed Bynum will make up for him alone I think.
     
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    If Bynum stays healthy and Phil integrates him in on offense, then he himself easily makes up for the loss of both Ariza and potentially Odom.

    I just don't get how valuable Odom's become to you overnight it seems like. He isn't that great of a player. 1 great game out of every 5 is cool.

    And yeah, Rashard lit him the fuck up in the Finals. I completely forgot about that. If he doesn't want the $8 million we're offering, he can leave. He isn't needed to win it all again.
     
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    I think he's within our price range, we got Artest for cheap so i don't mind if we give Lo 9 million a year. Just get it done already because we're fortunate he doesn't have much leverage against us.
     
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    He'll be back, I have no doubt in my mind he'll be back.

    I just want to know why all of a sudden, we MUST keep him if we want to win. That's all.
     
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    :lol:

    I never said we MUST keep him. That's not what I'm arguing. If you read my post, I said we're pretty much clear cut favorites to win the championship if we keep LO. Without him, we're still contenders. We can still win without LO, but it'll be that much harder. And the only reason why I think keeping LO is so crucial is because we don't have a fallback plan. The MLE is used, all we have left is the LLE and vet's min, and at that point, we aren't going to get much of an upgrade over JP.

    My question to you guys was, are you comfortable with JP/DJ as our primary backup bigs? If you answer no, it must mean you want an upgrade, which is basically what I'm getting at. With LLE/vet's min, are we gonna get one? I'm sure we can get a Brian Skinner with that money. Is Skinner that much better than JP?

    I never said we needed LO to win, but I definitely think we'll need more than JP as the third big when it's all said and done.
     
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    I also don't think it's right to compare LO/Drew to Artest/Ariza. They play different positions, LO can play in the paint. Bigs are important to winning championships, and I don't see any team fearing Drew/Pau/JP/DJ. Get one of them (most likely Drew) in foul trouble, and you can have your way because the backups can't really play. That's like saying replace Dwight Howard with Chris Paul. Surely you'd get similar production from CP3, they're both top players in the league. But it's not the same because teams can have a field day in the paint if you do not have a suitable replacement. I know Ron can play PF at times, but I'm not ready to count on him playing there each and every night. It might work here and there, but sooner or later, the mismatch will be exposed.

    Which was why, the whole entire time, my basic argument was that we definitely need a big upgrade from JP at PF. But with the pieces that we have, I don't see any upgrades happening, which is why I feel it's crucial to keep LO. Lose him and what do we have? If we still had the MLE, then fine, it wouldn't be a big deal to me. But I'm not gonna bank on a mid season trade, because again, it takes two sides to get a deal done, and it's not guaranteed. I also don't want to see JP or DJ playing more than 5 minutes in a crucial Game 7.
     
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    I'm fine with JP and DJ playing if they have to. There is a reason why their extensions were picked up. They are serviceable. Plus, Phil isn't an idiot. He'll find a way to manage to have Gasol/Drew on the floor most of the game. If anything, JP and DJ would see no more than 10 minutes or so. That is fine.

    And a front court of Pau and JP is still respectable because of the other players on the floor. People will have to fear Pau still because of Artest, Kobe, and Fish on the perimeter.

    And Mitch isn't an idiot, he'll be able to find a replacement that can give quality minutes.
     
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    ok you win
     
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    I'm comfortable with DJ/JP to start the season off and then a deadline move to add the missing piece to another Championship run.

    Hopefully Odom does comeback because he does improve our odds, but he's not the key to this team winning a title.

    In fact I think Odom owes it to the Lakers organization to take whatever they're offering and be happy about them giving him a chance to wear the purple and gold. How many seasons did the fans, coaches, and higher ups deal with his numerous lackluster nights while being one of the highest paid players on the roster? Time for him to give back after those years he stole from Dr. Buss being complete bust on the floor.
     
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    Brian I know Artest can't guard KG, but neither can Odom. He destroys Odom and Odom can't guard Pierce either, which Artest is capable of doing. KG is going to be checked by Gasol and will have to defend Gasol on the other end instead of cheating off Odom.

    The Lakers then have the luxury of having Kobe lockdown Allen or Rondo depending on which player is having more success. Kobe no longer has to defend Pierce and take the punishment Pierce dishes out backing the smaller Kobe down. Odom didn't have any advantages in the Boston series and the Celtics took full advantage of him. KG was daring him to shoot those perimeter jumpers and forced Odom to his right everytime because Odom can't finish going to his right.
     
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