<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First of all, there's no such thing as a horrible opinion, that's why it's an opinion. It is not subject to judgement, it is certainly subject to verification, or similar contradicting opinion, but saying it is horrible makes you sound silly, please do your intellect (which you obviously have a good deal of) some justice and back up your opinion rather than just saying mine is bad.</div> Perhaps I was brash, but there are such things as horrible opinions. I stand by that "notion", if you will. Example, John Rocker has/had a horrible opinion of New York and immigrantion in the US in general. True you didn't say anything nearly as bad, and I apologize, but at the time it just struck me as a cheap pot shot at New Jersey. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I was speaking conditionally about this coming season. I said that by looking at Jason Kidd's condition with his knees, he has lost a step.</div> Lost a step? Maybe if you only considered his speed..But he never rebounded better in his career. He still was good enough to make All 2nd D and if he had not been injured for the first third of the season he would've made that All-Star team. No he's not the JKidd of yesteryear but he sure is still an elite player and arguably the best point gaurd in the league. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">With the Knicks on the mend, the Celtics growing in a positive direction, and Philly having a great offseason, with a different coaching scheme, the Nets have as much reason to worry as anyone.</div> The Celtics in my opinion have gotten worse. If you want to talk about drop offs, Pierce has fallen off. Sure he plays a better all around game, but he's no longer the scorer he was two or three years ago. I remember back when we played the Celtics in the ECF he was damn near impossible to gaurd.. Even the next year against the Pacers he was still schooling Ron Artest. Now.. I'm not sure. Top 20 player? Yeah he definitely is, but surely not as great as he used to be. But with the Celtics in general, they're just very young and inexperience. Losing a veteran leader in Gary Payton is going to hurt. Delonte, imo is better as a backup than starter. Losing Antoine probably won't hurt as much, but it kills their depth because Al Jefferson off the bench was an absolute beast and tore through second teams. Now going against the big dogs he might not be as affective as well as the frontline gets thinner. Philly's offseason has been to keep their team in tact. They got Mo Cheeks who's a good coach especially with coachable guys, but if you say J-Kidd is dropping off, it's no where near as bad as Webber. Chris' knees are deterioating fast and Allen Iverson, though he had a great season, isn't exactly getting younger approaching his 30s. True Iguodala will get better but not enough to really push them to being better than what they were last year. The Knicks...are the same as last year.. bad. They brought in another chucker in QRich and no one really seems to be improving on the team. I have no idea where they are going and what they are doing and given Jamal Crawford's and Stephon Marbury's chronic losing seasons, they pose little threat to the Nets. The Nets are fine and with a healthy Jefferson along with practice with Carter, they're going to be deadly.. and I didn't even mention how much better Nenad probably got. They'll contend for the Atlantic Title and have a definitely good to great shot of winning it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Shareef Abdur-Rahim was supposed to be the answer to a question asked all last year, namely, what will the Nets do for low post scoring? Shareef Abdur-Rahim is no longer interested in playing for the Nets for immature and silly reasons, as we have seen, that means the question is raised again.</div> What question? Would the Nets be stronger with him? Yes, of course. However, if I was Bruce Ratner, I would not want to give a big multimillion dollar contract to some guy who might not play..and on top of that pay his medical bills. So if Shareef joins and hurts himself and never plays like Deke or slums it like Rodney Rogers, then it won't matter what Shareef brings. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">As for Jeff McInnis, he is not an answer to J-Kidd losing a step. He is a notable backup, but not a replacement, </div> Who's trying to replace Jason Kidd? Scratch that...who CAN replace Kidd? I'll tell you what McInnis is...one of the best back up point gaurds in the league. I can only think of Bobby Jackson who's better and he's oft-injured. Antonio Daniels is better, but he'll probably start for the Wizards and depending who you ask, Derek Fisher might be in McInnis league..but not in my opinion. Jeff is a good combo gaurd. He'll score and make some plays, and push the ball all we ask from our point gaurd. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">nor will he be any better than he has been in the past, meaning that his potential has essentially been reached and we know what to expect from him.</div> What is that supposed to mean? Couldn't you say that about any player who's been in the league for 5+ years? <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">He is no better or worse than other subs they have had in the recent past. He does have a notable contract though. </div> A contract that is at most two years..the second year being an option. If he doesn't pan out he'll go somewhere else. It's not like Orlando locking up Juwan Howard for 6 years or how we locked up Alonzo for 4 years. And Jeff is better than subs we had in the past...the best sub we had in the last four years was Lucious Harris and he was streaky at best. He was solid but wasn't capable as much as Jeff. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Lawrence Frank has coached in mild adversity in the past, but not such that would prove his mettle in a situation like the one he would be stuck in were he have a gimped Kidd, no PF, and just Richard Jefferson for a scoring option.</div> No offense, but I don't know what you're saying there and it's so riddled in passive voice that I'm not going to attempt to understand it. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Jeff being a man who doesn't really create his own shot, and is more a product of a talented and athletic offensive point guard. That is not to sleight his ability. He has plenty of it.</div> I thought the topic of this paragraph was Lawerence Frank.. Where does Jeff play into this? Jeff might not be your consumate point gaurd, but he did have success in Cleveland for quite some time. The Cavs might have made the playoffs his first year there had not he gotten injured and LeBron was forced to play PG. Last season he was confused of his role on the team and it screwed with their functionality... when your starting and the team brings in another starting point gaurd, in this case Eric Snow, you're going to be weary of what management and the coaching staff is trying to tell you. Jeff should and does know that Jason Kidd is the best player on this team and he leads this team..I doubt Jeff wants to take Kidds position and he'll know his role and play to the best of it. He's taken plenty of people off the dribble and with all the penetration being done by Kidd, Carter, Jefferson, and maybe some by Wright Jeff will get plenty of mid range and some long range shot which he can make. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Nevertheless, I was only stating that the Nets are just as vulnerable as any team in the Atlantic, not necessarily that they would fail.</div> Dually noted but even if the Nets had Shareef they are still "vulnerable". It's just a matter of degree.
This is a tough break for the Nets. One of the things they lacked last season after the Vince Carter trade was front court depth, and depth in the bench. It appeared that they were going to address both by acquiring Shareef in this deal, but this physical throws everything out of whack. They would have had a solid starting five with Reef, Krstic, RJ, Vince Carter, and Jason Kidd. It would also have allowed them to move the recently resigned Clifford Robinson to the bench, and provide toughness, and scoring ability off the bench along with Collins. However, now that this deal may not go through it can end up in two different scenarios they could move Krstic to the power forward starting spot, and start Collins at center, or they could move Clifford Robinson into the starting lineup. I honestly feel that if the Nets do not get this deal worked out the Atlantic division is back up for grabs. It makes the race a lot tighter between the Celtics, Sixers, and Nets. The Celtics have really been underrated this off-season so they lost Walker though I can not deny he is a talented player. The Celtics really did not need him with Al Jefferson developing, and them drafting Gerald Green they have had a successful off-season. They have a young team full of potential, but again the simply fact they are very young may harm them a bit. By the way a little off topic, but is it just me or does it seem Walker makes some sort of shot at the Celtics organization every time he leaves? Then the 76ers with a healthy Chris Webber, developing Iguodala, and a new system will make them a tough team as well. I personally feel as though if they do not pull of this deal (the Nets that is) the 76ers should be the favorites to take the division. Though the Nets are still very tough with VC, RJ, and Kidd their lack of front court depth would still prevent them from making a significant run in the playoffs. The Nets are still very much in the fold for this division should they not pull this trade off however, just not the overwhelming favorites they once were. They added a lot of good role players with Wright and Mclinnis in the backcourt, as well as bringing back Vaughn. However, there is no one who can question the acquisition (or apparent acquisition) of Shareef was the biggest move they had made all off-season.
lets face it. the nets are highly overrated...people look so highly of richard jefferson, but he's so mediocre it's not even funny. jason kidd is not the same guy he used to be and i'm sure he's going to have another dissapointing year this season. VC is the only one who's going to carry this team, but i'm sure he'll get injured. the only reason they made the playoffs last year was because cleveland felt comfortable and basically thought they were going to be in for sure, while orlando had a lot of injuries. shareef is a good player, but do the nets really need another forward? he's not going to fit in well with the system. goddamnit, i hate the nets!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting VinKanaddy:</div><div class="quote_post">Ignignot, you forgot to mention that Vince Carter is in a Net uniform too. </div> Yes, and somehting like that won't help you either. JKidd is still the 2nd best point guard in the game, they have a healthy RJ(hopefully) and VC who apparently is happy in NJ just look what he did last year. The Celtics got worse by losing a leader and a scorer in Walker. The Knicks? Don't even come with that. Philly is a good team but not the Nets. Talk about JKidd losing a step? Have you seen CWebb? He barely has knees to stand on. Iverson is still great but he isn't getting any younger. The Nets have more talent and are now getting used to playing together because they didn't get much of a chance to do that last year with RJ out. I haven't even mentioned the maturity of Nenad and how he is becoming a better and more complete player.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">lets face it. the nets are highly overrated...people look so highly of richard jefferson, but he's so mediocre it's not even funny. jason kidd is not the same guy he used to be and i'm sure he's going to have another dissapointing year this season. VC is the only one who's going to carry this team, but i'm sure he'll get injured. the only reason they made the playoffs last year was because cleveland felt comfortable and basically thought they were going to be in for sure, while orlando had a lot of injuries. shareef is a good player, but do the nets really need another forward? he's not going to fit in well with the system. goddamnit, i hate the nets!!!</div> Jefferson is not medicroe. He is a great young star who will have great career. Jason Kidd had a bad season, he wasnt playin for half of the season, thats first of all. He is 32 and had a season that most PG in NBA dont even have at age 26 to 27. I dont really find it dissappointin. Also even if Cleveland felt comfortable thats their problem and isnt an excuse to not get into the Playoffs. The Nets need Shareef thats why they wanted to sign them. They need a solid PF and they wanted him. I think they he will fit in the system if he would sign. IF the Nets didnt think so they would of tried to sign Swift. .... i hate the raptors.....
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker14:</div><div class="quote_post">Yes, and somehting like that won't help you either. JKidd is still the 2nd best point guard in the game, they have a healthy RJ(hopefully) and VC who apparently is happy in NJ just look what he did last year. The Celtics got worse by losing a leader and a scorer in Walker. The Knicks? Don't even come with that. Philly is a good team but not the Nets. Talk about JKidd losing a step? Have you seen CWebb? He barely has knees to stand on. Iverson is still great but he isn't getting any younger. The Nets have more talent and are now getting used to playing together because they didn't get much of a chance to do that last year with RJ out. I haven't even mentioned the maturity of Nenad and how he is becoming a better and more complete player.</div> listen man, i don't mean to burst ur bubble...but you need to quit looking at this like ur in space jam or something. RJ came back last year and had the chance to play with Carter...wut did he do? all i saw was Carter in the score sheets. Kidd is not the second best point guard in the game...let me repeat this...JA...SON...KIDD...NOT THE 2ND BEST POINTGUARD IN THE GAME. #1 --> Nash #2 --> Billups #3 --> Iverson #4 --> Marbury #5 --> Francis #6 --> Bibby #7 --> Mike James #8 --> Hinrich #9 --> Milt Palacio #10 --> Kidd (and I'm being kind here...) Dude, as Iverson gets older...he gets better. Do not compare Kidd to Iverson. Iverson is probably the best player in the world right now...all-round player-wise. as for the nets, i'll say it again...and again, as much as i can...because it's true. OVERRATED...there's no way they're reaching the eastern conference finals ever again. that chemistry is long gone.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">listen man, i don't mean to burst ur bubble...but you need to quit looking at this like ur in space jam or something. RJ came back last year and had the chance to play with Carter...wut did he do? all i saw was Carter in the score sheets. Kidd is not the second best point guard in the game...let me repeat this...JA...SON...KIDD...NOT THE 2ND BEST POINTGUARD IN THE GAME. #1 --> Nash #2 --> Billups #3 --> Iverson #4 --> Marbury #5 --> Francis #6 --> Bibby #7 --> Mike James #8 --> Hinrich #9 --> Milt Palacio #10 --> Kidd (and I'm being kind here...) Dude, as Iverson gets older...he gets better. Do not compare Kidd to Iverson. Iverson is probably the best player in the world right now...all-round player-wise. as for the nets, i'll say it again...and again, as much as i can...because it's true. OVERRATED...there's no way they're reaching the eastern conference finals ever again. that chemistry is long gone.</div> um..your kidding right? AI isn't even a true PG, Marbury hasn't heard of defense and isn't the leader that Kidd is. Francis? What has he ever done that Kidd hasn't, that comparison should be thrown out the window. Mike James...LMFAO, same with Hinrich lol. You better be joking about Pilacio or else u shud be banned for that. How is Kidd ten? He and Nash are true PG's and incredible leader swho make every1 around them better and no one on that list can say that except for maybe Iverson. Best player in the world? Stop lying to yourself buddy.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Jefferson is not medicroe. He is a great young star who will have great career. Jason Kidd had a bad season, he wasnt playin for half of the season, thats first of all. He is 32 and had a season that most PG in NBA dont even have at age 26 to 27. I dont really find it dissappointin. Also even if Cleveland felt comfortable thats their problem and isnt an excuse to not get into the Playoffs. The Nets need Shareef thats why they wanted to sign them. They need a solid PF and they wanted him. I think they he will fit in the system if he would sign. IF the Nets didnt think so they would of tried to sign Swift. .... i hate the raptors..... </div> ok...OK..listen. Richard Jefferson...there is nothing special about this guy. sure, he was in the 2004 olympic team...but you know what? mcgrady, vc, shaq, and all these other players didn't want to play...the only reason they put this guy in there was because they needed the players and practically became desperate.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">ok...OK..listen. Richard Jefferson...there is nothing special about this guy. sure, he was in the 2004 olympic team...but you know what? mcgrady, vc, shaq, and all these other players didn't want to play...the only reason they put this guy in there was because they needed the players and practically became desperate.</div> So what? He has tons of talent and can become a great player, you just don't like the Nets because VC is succeeding here.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker14:</div><div class="quote_post">um..your kidding right? AI isn't even a true PG, Marbury hasn't heard of defense and isn't the leader that Kidd is. Francis? What has he ever done that Kidd hasn't, that comparison should be thrown out the window. Mike James...LMFAO, same with Hinrich lol. You better be joking about Pilacio or else u shud be banned for that. How is Kidd ten? He and Nash are true PG's and incredible leader swho make every1 around them better and no one on that list can say that except for maybe Iverson. Best player in the world? Stop lying to yourself buddy.</div> listen man, AI plays both PG and SG positions and if you want to argue about who is the best all-around player in the world, give me a name. give me something. let me explain it to you softly. Kidd WAS #2, but not anymore. Give me one reason why I shouldn't put Francis, Marbury, Hinrich and even Mike James in front of Kidd...what did Kidd do last season...I've never seen anyone shoot more airballs last season..I was kidding about Palacio, but I found it funny to put the guy in front of poor little Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">listen man, AI plays both PG and SG positions and if you want to argue about who is the best all-around player in the world, give me a name. give me something. let me explain it to you softly. Kidd WAS #2, but not anymore. Give me one reason why I shouldn't put Francis, Marbury, Hinrich and even Mike James in front of Kidd...what did Kidd do last season...I've never seen anyone shoot more airballs last season..I was kidding about Palacio, but I found it funny to put the guy in front of poor little Kidd.</div> Marbury doesn't play defense and has done nothing to help the KNicks. DO any of the guys you mentioned get triple doubles on some nights...no. Tell me one good reason for putting Francis there? Because he has hops? He isn't a leader like Kidd and doesn;t play defense. Mike James? Does he even start? Hinrich may lose his job to BG so I have no idea what you were thinking. All of the guys you put in front of Kidd have 3 things in common, they all are good on offense, and aren't the leader that Kidd is(except for Iverson good offensive. If you base your picks only by offense then they are worthless because a point guard is supposed to be a leader and make those around him better which only Iverson does of the guys you named besides Nash and Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker14:</div><div class="quote_post">So what? He has tons of talent and can become a great player, you just don't like the Nets because VC is succeeding here.</div> dude, that's your expert analyzation? you couldn't find any proof or evidence to back ur shite up, so you stick ur thumb up ur anus and think that i'm bad mouthing the nets because vc was traded there? first of all, i'm a vc fan...when he's remembered, he'll be remembered as a Raptor...not for being in New Jersey...he's done nothing significant in that city....nothing at all as memorable as his history with the Raptors franchise.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">listen man, AI plays both PG and SG positions and if you want to argue about who is the best all-around player in the world, give me a name. give me something. let me explain it to you softly. Kidd WAS #2, but not anymore. Give me one reason why I shouldn't put Francis, Marbury, Hinrich and even Mike James in front of Kidd...what did Kidd do last season...I've never seen anyone shoot more airballs last season..I was kidding about Palacio, but I found it funny to put the guy in front of poor little Kidd.</div> Mike James a better point guard than Kidd?!?!?!? Buddy maube you haven't heard but Marbury is switching to sg. Kidd is the 2nd best point guard in the game. Im still amazed how you said Mike james is better than him!!!!
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">dude, that's your expert analyzation? you couldn't find any proof or evidence to back ur shite up, so you stick ur thumb up ur anus and think that i'm bad mouthing the nets because vc was traded there? first of all, i'm a vc fan...when he's remembered, he'll be remembered as a Raptor...not for being in New Jersey...he's done nothing significant in that city....nothing at all as memorable as his history with the Raptors franchise.</div> Well, RJ was having an all star caliber season before he got injured, and VC ain't done nothing in NJ because he's been there for 1/2 a year! Compared to 6 in Toronto. <div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">so you stick ur thumb up ur anus </div> You gotta calm down buddy maybe I should report this? you should meet a friend of mine and take anger management together.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MAKEOUTCITY:</div><div class="quote_post">ok...OK..listen. Richard Jefferson...there is nothing special about this guy. sure, he was in the 2004 olympic team...but you know what? mcgrady, vc, shaq, and all these other players didn't want to play...the only reason they put this guy in there was because they needed the players and practically became desperate.</div> Umm i wasnt talking about the Olympic team. None of Raptors even the team either but you dont see me sayin they suck because of that
By the way how many Triple Doubles has Kidd gotten. He is an all around PG. Even if you add up all the PGs you said they dont even equal the triple doubles.....and yet he only played half a season.
apparently he's the one who needs to back up his *explative removed* because you aren;t backing up your reasons for having these guys over Kidd.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting playmaker14:</div><div class="quote_post">Marbury doesn't play defense and has done nothing to help the KNicks. DO any of the guys you mentioned get triple doubles on some nights...no. Tell me one good reason for putting Francis there? Because he has hops? He isn't a leader like Kidd and doesn;t play defense. Mike James? Does he even start? Hinrich may lose his job to BG so I have no idea what you were thinking. All of the guys you put in front of Kidd have 3 things in common, they all are good on offense, and aren't the leader that Kidd is(except for Iverson good offensive. If you base your picks only by offense then they are worthless because a point guard is supposed to be a leader and make those around him better which only Iverson does of the guys you named besides Nash and Kidd.</div> omg, another dude who bases all his assumptions through stats...one stat - triple doubles...tell me who played the best in last year's nba finals series...they voted Timmy D as MVP...why? stats. who really played the best in that championship winning team...GINOBILI and HORRY. you say those PG's don't play defense and one-sided players? who led the league in steals percentage...half of those names are in top 10...where is Jason Kidd exactly? not even among the top 50? is that wut you call a good defender?
