Shawn Marion : "Time for me to move on."

Re: Shawn Marion :

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ak47, the matrix it doesn't matter we need changes and the past few seasons have proven that vc and rj are redundant instead of complimentary...i think we need a power forward-ish type small forward instead of a perimeter-ish player since vc is a legit sg/sf and is untradeable. if we can't get an all-star pf for rj then this is the next best thing.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

Shawn Marion is possibly the best man defender in the league.</p>

I think he should be the current DPOY.</p>

As much as I love Kirilenko, I think Marion would improve the Nets more.</p>

It makes a ton of sense for all three teams to pull of a Christmas blockbuster.</p>

Carter to Utah, AK to Phoenix, Marion to New Jersey.</p>

Every team gets an upgrade and a player they desperately need.</p>

This trade would make all three teams better, and make the Jazz and Nets MUCH better.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

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Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

Heres a bright side.</p>

Next year is his final year so we will have a $6 mill trading asset if hes not traded this season.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

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Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

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that's why I'm combining him with Krstic, who theoretically has value, especially at his current salary.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

Obviously, if the Nets are to really improve, instead of moving assets around, they have to deal Collins. It's the only way they'll gain some financial flexibility. You can talk about trading Carter or trading RJ, but bottom line is that the nets will still have a "big three" whose ultimate fate will be tied to the fortunes of Krstic, Magloire, and the bench.</p>

Now, thinking this through, if the Nets trade Collins, they'll be taking a big hit on their interior defense. The only way I can see them doing that is if they package him with one or two weak defensive players. So I could see them trading a package of Boki/Collins, or Marcus/Collins, or maybe even Krstic/Collins. Boone was crappy defensively last year, but he has the potential to improve, and I honestly don't think he has much value anyway. As everyone knows, Carter is untouchable. I suspect that Marcus is relatively untouchable also--at least, they're unlikely to get back what they think he's worth. Boki and Krstic are both solid shooters that will be free agents, and that may have some value to a team. I would accept a trade of Collins and Krstic for a more traditional PF, start Magloire at center, and give Boki more minutes off the bench as the backup PF. You could then carry Rod Benson as the fourth-string PF.</p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

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Collins is a salary dump. The Nets would have to compensate a team to take him or take back an even worse contract (example: Troy Murphy).</p>

They tried to include him in several deals to make salaries match and it was essentially a deal-killer.</p>

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that's why I'm combining him with Krstic, who theoretically has value, especially at his current salary.</p>

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Krstic is a tricky guy to trade.</p>

He is a good player who almost any team could use, but he's a free agent after the season.</p>

If you get him and he has an awesome season, now you are almost obligated to keep him and sign him to what is sure to be a risky contract.</p>

And that's the best case scenario.</p>

He's a player I would avoid trading anything valuable for this season.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>How does that help, really? I'm not protective of Boki and Marcus, but where are thy going to get a backup PG and a scorer off the bench from the SF/PF position at this point? Besides, RJ himself is a plus defender when healthy. I'd really prefer to trade Carter for Marion, and try to coax Kittles out of retirement.</div>

A Carter and Marion trade would work out best obviously--but why would the Suns even consider that if they are trying to save money?</p>

To be honest, I still don't see much out of Marcus Williams. He still looks like an easily replaceable point guard to me. I hope he proves me wrong. Besides, if we really need a PG with that trade--they can add Marcus Banks somehow--a little overpaid, but I wouldn't mind him ta all.</p>

We'd also get 1 or 2 more roster spots---we can get Allan Houston, or Jumaine Jones or even get Hassan Adams back.</p>

We wouldn't need much of a bench--we would have a much better starting lineup than Boston. Considering Marion plays like 42 min a game, Vince plays like 38--we only need a backup 2/3 (Antoine Wright) to play the 16 or so minutes that are left.</p>

The trade makes our team better. Maybe not in the long-term--but I still drool at the thought of having Kidd, Carter, Marion playing together. That would be sick.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

there are several teams with black holes at center, but they don't seem to have a mid-level PF that would make that sort of deal work. Given that Cleveland only has 12 players on their roster--two of which are unsigned--, and just three big men, a Krstic/Collins for Drew Gooden deal would seem to make sense, but Gooden doesn't achieve the aims I've articulated. Kaman would be intriguing--the Clippers have depth issues, and if Kaman doesn't bounce back from last season, his contract will be considered absolutely terrible. He would actually work financially. I suspect we wouldn't get David West. It's hard to imagine any other deal--PFs are either to highly paid or not paid enough to make that sort of deal work.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I have no idea whoyou coould acquire who fits the bill who makes around $8M-$9M.</p>

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David West? lol, he's not going anywhere tho. But he would work. He makes around 9 mill.</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'>I suspect we wouldn't get David West. It's hard to imagine any other deal--PFs are either to highly paid or not paid enough to make that sort of deal work.</div></p>

Kaman is not a PF. And stop reading my mind</p>

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Re: Shawn Marion :

what about nene?</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fruitcake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

what about nene?</p>

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Nene would definitely work. Denver is an interesting team--they have just one true center, Camby, who allegedly they have been thinking about trading. Their other bigs are Nene, Steven Hunter, KMart, and Najera. Obviously some of thosewill line up at center from time to time, but even if they keep Camby they could use some more depth, especially if KMart washes out again. </p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

Foor for thought: Nene got injured again during the summer games.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

Bill Simmons wrote an article that called for Phoenix to trade Marion to Utah for AK-47 striaght up. He said it would make total sense but they won't do it because this is the "No balls association."</p>

Maybe Phoenix doesn't want to do it because they don't want to help a team that was top 4 in the West last year and IS STILL IMPROVING.</p>

I love ghoti's trade. Thing is can Antoine Wright step in at the two?</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (fruitcake)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

what about nene?</p>

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If he was healthy..</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

I don't understand trading VC out and getting Marion in (I'd be all for a Marion - RJ swap). Because who plays the 2? RJ?</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

Whatever happened to wilcox? Put up good numbers on a loser. 3 years 24 million, salary should be around that magical figure, deal expires after 2009. Seattle would save about 1 million in this deal. Throw in 1st rounder and send Boki for GSW's JRich trade exception and GSW sends Seattle a pick. I figure with Wilcox, Boki will lose time and to alleviate lux tax headaches, unload Boki in the same deal. He will fit right in with Nellie's system of run and gund with no defense. Being an expiriing deal, won't kill the Warriors.</p>

 

Re: Shawn Marion :

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>

I don't understand trading VC out and getting Marion in (I'd be all for a Marion - RJ swap). Because who plays the 2? RJ?</p>

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Wright.</p>

That would make the Nets one of the best defensive teams in the league and everyone would be on the same page.</p>

You don't need an All-Star at every position. You need to surround your best player with guys who give him his best chance to take you where you want to go.</p>

I'd do a Marion/RJ swap, too, but the Nets would be better if they traded VC for him.</p>

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