Shocking new video shows unarmed Utah man was listening to headphones when killed by police

http://rt.com/usa/265402-nycha-workers-safety-vests/

 

So I'm guessing now every criminal in NY will go out and buy an orange vest

 

This guy's got nothing on Raymond Felton

 

You and I are not permitted the excuses for murder that succeed for police. I propose a Constitutional amendment:

Within the United States, every agent of every government level will be held to the same legal behavior as every other individual is. There will be no separate behavior standards for people working on behalf of the government.

The above should be made viral in millions of e-mails.

 

Pulling out a fake gun is much different than adjusting pants bro. With a fake gun, there is absolutely a "reasonable doubt" situation where you are justified firing at the suspect. There was nothing of the sort in this situation.

 

So if I kill someone for pulling out a toy gun, the court will absolve me? After all, I feared for my life.

You see, I was chickenshit to back up, like everyone else there did, because I have to always look tough. The court will surely let me, not a policeman, off.

 

We are talking about "Airsoft guns" then absolutely yes. They are exact replicas of the real thing. If the tip doesn't have the orange painted, then it will look very real.

 

He wasn't adjusting his pants, he stuck his pants down the front of his very baggy pants (which are often used to conceal weapons), and was moving them around in a menacing way. Total wrong thing to do in that situation. Remember the call was about a someone with a gun, so the frame is already set. His friends put their hands up, he walked away, and made moves like he was drawing a gun.

 

You think backing up will stop a bullet? You obviously have no clue what it would take to do police work and put your life on the line if you think they're going to try to figure out if the gun is real first. Those self defense laws do apply to everyone.

 

I will admit that his actions definitely created large suspicion, but cops should have a little more reserve. The cop already knew he had the jump. If a gun was pulled, the cop could easily take him down. The assumption warrants the gun draw, but definitely doesn't warrant being shot.

With an Airsoft gun description you used earlier, the threat is seen and different action is warranted. Especially if that weapon looks like an assault rifle. And remember you used "waving a toy gun at the cops". The situation is absolutely different.

 

This is where I think most of us tend to assume incorrectly. Test have shown that the reaction time does not allow a cop to see, identify and decide there's a gun in the hand before it's too late. As someone who's been shot, I can tell you, it's way quicker than you can imagine.

 

Then why do the cops draw first? If that study is taken at face value, there is no reason to draw the weapon until you have already decided to fire it.

Or maybe that is the dirty little secret - once the cop's gun was drawn the civilian was dead no matter what he did.

 

But you can shoot a gun through your coat (or pants in this case).

 

I'm sure the ratio of drawing weapon to actually firing is very high, because most of the time a person will comply with the officer's orders. Also, they want to draw first to make sure they can fire before the other person has time to fire on them.

Cops over-step sometimes. But it seems there's some irrational cop hate. Like anytime they use lethal force it's bad.

In this case, I think the video actually supports the cop.